Because that close friend of mine is my wife, and I know what she deals with mentally every day.Have you ever been raped? If not, how can you compare?
Because that close friend of mine is my wife, and I know what she deals with mentally every day.Have you ever been raped? If not, how can you compare?
But the point is that in that case psychological trauma is viewed as damaging as physical trauma. Why not in other cases?A close friend of mine was raped repeatedly by her stepfather. To say she's none the worse for wear for the experience is insulting. If you truly believe what you wrote, try convincing a rape victim of it.
If torture was actually effective I would be all for it. I would consider the benefits to outweigh the negative effects it it has on our country socially and politically.I agree completely with everything in the above post by PBP.
There isn't much more I can tell you other than the two experiences are not comparable. There's no way to prove that over the Internet, so you either have to accept the statement as true or discover the truth yourself.But the point is that in that case psychological trauma is viewed as damaging as physical trauma. Why not in other cases?
That is complete illogical. Despite everything that is done to us while we are in training, we all know with 100% certainty that we are being kept safe. That is not the case in a rape or if you are actually being tortured by an enemy power. You know at any moment they could actually maim or kill you and that makes all the difference.You could talk with military people who have been waterboarded and get their perspective, then go to a rape victim and get her experience, and then compare the two
What's completely illogical is thinking rape and waterboarding are similar.That is complete illogical. Despite everything that is done to us while we are in training, we all know with 100% certainty that we are being kept safe. That is not the case in a rape or if you are actually being tortured by an enemy power. You know at any moment they could actually kill you and that makes all the difference.
Your method of comparison was completely illogical. My post is pretty clear.What's completely illogical is thinking rape and waterboarding are similar.
You've never been waterboarded, and you've never trained in military air combat. That's what's clear.Despite everything that is done to us while we are in training, we all know with 100% certainty that we are being kept safe.
What's completely illogical is thinking rape and waterboarding are similar.
I am not saying they do not have similar issues. I am saying your method of comparing an actual rape to the experience of a controlled training experience is not valid.You've never been waterboarded, and you've never trained in military air combat. That's what's clear
Well, that's my point. You're right; they're not the same. Which is what I've been saying. Anyone who wants to compare waterboarding to something should find something else to compare it to, because the comparison to rape doesn't work.WhyteP38 there is a great social difference between a woman who has been raped and a person who has been water-boarded. Society basic puts up a block that looks at the rape victim as involved in some kind of unsavory behaviour. A few religions (even in the US) treat a women who was raped as less than a desirable part of their congregation. I don't believe you ever hear of someone being frowned upon by society for having been water-boarded as part of some training technique. You just can not compare the psychological dammage of society on the two individuals: one's a whore and the other a hero.
That's part of it. But it's not the entirety of it, nor is it always the most significant part of it. A lot depends on the age of the victim and the relationship of the victim to the perpetrator. A 7-year-old girl raped by her stepfather repeatedly suffers a whole host of problems different in kind and degree than, say, a 21-year-old woman raped by her date, or raped by a total stranger.I have never been raped or waterboarded, but I have heard experts say that rape is about control.
Thanks. I'm not sure how clear my implication was, so maybe it wasn't clear enough. Some subjects hit so close to home that emotions begin to take a toll.WhyteP38 then we are in agreement and I missed your implication.
Training is in "safer" environments than actual combat, but mistakes happen. I lost a lot of acquaintences when two P-3s collided during night ASW training off the Southern California coast.And if you think you are not being kept safe in training enviroments, then you have never been a part of any training. Safety is rule number one and stressed above all else in such activities.
Mistakes happen to people in their every day lives, but when you are in a controlled training environment you are supposedly safer than you are in your own home. Every scenerio is planned for and every precaution is taken. If you have even been part of staging a live fire exercise you realize how many days of effort go into making a 30-60 minute training session as safe as humanly possible.Training is in "safer" environments than actual combat, but mistakes happen. I lost a lot of acquaintences when two P-3s collided during night ASW training off the Southern California coast
Like I said before, you obviously don't have a military aviation background. What you can control in your environment is severely limited. Every preflight is a literally nuts and bolts scrutiny of the plane. Flight school drills into your head "attention to detail" and "a simple missing screw can get you killed." I don't know about your home, but at my home a simple missing screw won't get you killed.Mistakes happen to people in their every day lives, but when you are in a controlled training environment you are supposedly safer than you are in your own home.
On that point, you are completely correct. I do not like planes.Like I said before, you obviously don't have a military aviation background
After 2,000 flight hours, I like to look at them, but I've lost my enthusiasm to fly in them.On that point, you are completely correct. I do not like planes.