Bush: "I wanted people to see the truth"

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Am I the only one who remembers back before we went into Iraq that just about everyone thought Saddam probably did have WMDs? Am I the only one remembering these things being talked about when Clinton was president?

It's like all of the sudden after the fact everyone "knew" there were no WMDs all along and it was just Bush saying there were, and clearly he was lying about it :rolleyes:

Sorry, folks. It's not a lie if you don't know that what you're saying isn't true. That applies in court as well.

Clinton lied. Fact. He did it right in front of us on national television, there was no way he didn't know he was. Now, to his credit the issue at hand was a personal matter and none of the nation's business to begin with. Shouldn't have ever made the news IMO but it did. The man lied to the American people and that is unforgivable. I have no respect for Clinton and I never will.


Say what you will about Bush, he is trustworthy. He's been up front about everything he has done and you can tell he honestly believes he's right. Now, it may be debatable if his actions have been for the best but at least you can stil respect the man making the descisions.
 
Now, to his credit the issue at hand was a personal matter and none of the nation's business to begin with.
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Wrong.

When the so-called man sitting in the Oval Office commits perjury, it is the nation's business.
 
And when the so-called man sitting in the oval office selectively cherry-picks intel from the NIE in order to support his (false) claim in order to forment a war.....isn't that the nation's business as well?
 
This is just another weak attack by the left, which has never gotten over Bill Clintons impeachment or Al Gores failure to win the white house.

Every week it's a new Bush lied story, and it always come from the liberal media.
 
I'm saying that Clinton thing shouldn't have ever been brought up. I do agree that once he lied it did become our business but he should never have been asked by anyone in an official US gov capacity, or by the media.
 
*sigh* we know carbiner. Everything is the liberal media's fault. Never mind the special prosecutors, indictments, convictions.....
 
And when the so-called man sitting in the oval office selectively cherry-picks intel from the NIE in order to support his (false) claim in order to forment a war.....isn't that the nation's business as well?
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I never said it isn't.

As I recall, Bush was not impeached over it - therefore it is a non-issue. No "crime" was comitted, in spite of how badly the Democrats and their lap dog talking heads on the evening news wish it were so.

As my grandma used to say, "Doo-do in one hand and wish in the other - see which one fills up first.":D
 
Steel,
That's subject to change, isn't it? I mean the only thing protecting him from impeachment is the current Republican majority in congress. That looks to be threatened in large part by his actions. If the Dems take over and you're finding it difficult to get a Republican elected dogcatcher I suspect you'll take a dimmer view of our president. Between him and Delay I'd say you have a genuine brand-identity problem.
Of course you can always just choose to stick your head in the sand, blame it all on the 'Liberal media", and hope it all goes away....:rolleyes:
 
If Bush doesn't reveal the intellegence used in going to war, the left bashes him.

If Bush reveals the intellegence used in going to war, the left bashes him.

If Bush does anything, the left bashes him.
 
If Bush doesn't reveal the intellegence used in going to war, the left bashes him.

If Bush reveals the intellegence used in going to war, the left bashes him.

If Bush does anything, the left bashes him.
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Yup...

Hmmm, do you think it could be a personal rather than a legal issue????
 
The dems have no reason to impeach Bush, their still having an uncontrollable tantrum over slick willie's impeachment. Which he earned fair and square. Look at how mentally unstable Al Gore become, he's headed in Jimmy Carters direction. The left has no one and no messege. Ploting scams and getting republicans fired is not helping this country, and liberalism is a cancer eating away at America.

We have serious issues at hand, yet the only thing offered by the marxist left is, Bush lied again. We'll never here the liberals call for spending cuts or much less tax cuts. Their too busy sneaking more illegal aliens into the country so they can gain more votes and tax life right out of America.
 
I don't like our current president or our last one. However, I get tired of the "Bush lied and people died" stuff, when Clinton's watch murdered the people at Ruby Ridge and Waco, for starters. And since we're fed our information from the media, we don't know for sure if Bosnia was a place we should have been killing people either. Wasn't that also under President Clinton?

The book "Beyond Shock and Awe, Warfare in the 21st Century" states the reason we went to war with Iraq was because we had information in 2003 that within 5 years Saudi Arabia will be overthrown by the Islamic forces allied with Bin Laden. When that happens, SA will stop selling oil to the United States. The US was hoping Iraq would be a democracy friendly to us by then, so we could buy oil from them. The democracy part is backfiring. The government elected to not use this as a reason to the American public however. I know, it's just a book, take it with a grain of salt. This reasoning seems more plausible to me however than WMDs.
 
bah humbug...clinton and bush can both go rot...I was just trying to point out that clinton's not actively sending my friends where they don't belong. As for not knowing whether or not saddam had weapons, HOGWASH.! Bush was headlong determined to get in there and there wasn't a piece of intelligence otherwise that was going to convince him otherwise. The wmd's were just the best 'story' for talking the amurican people into it. (look how well the rest of the world bough it...wait)
Bush's incompetence is costing us LIVES!
Rumsfeld's incompetence is costing us LIVES!
 
And when the so-called man sitting in the oval office selectively cherry-picks intel from the NIE in order to support his (false) claim in order to forment a war.....isn't that the nation's business as well?
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Apparently, Bush wasn't the only one cherry picking. As I recall no other intelligence organization in the world disputed the WMD call.

The State Department had issues with the nuclear part, but was in up to their collective neck with the Chem and Bio.

An NIE is the collective opinion of the Intelligence community. It is a National Intelligence Estimate. There are a bunch of them out there on different subjects. They are probably wrong in a bunch of different areas too. Now that everyone in the world has "perfect information" about the WMDs or lack thereof, intelligence seems like child's play doesn't it?

Of course, now that we have all the details, it's also confusing to understand how sensible folks could not clearly see Florida winning the NCAA, Pittsburgh winning the Super Bowl and Howard Stern falling on his no talent, flat butt on satellite radio, all before they happened.

I would like for anyone on this board to describe EXACTLY what the state of the Iranian nuclear program is today. EXACTLY. Apparently, it's pretty easy from what I hear.
 
Wmd

Nuclear, Chemical, and Biological. Serious stuff. It amazes me, that half the people could be so wrong. Both halves, apparently, depending on who you listen to.

Chemical weapons were used during the Iran-Iraq war. No one disputes this fact. But now, they can't find any. So a lot of people are saying there never were any.

I have a personal friend who spent about a year in Iraq, recovering highly radioactive material. Never heard a SINGLE WORD about anything like that in the media.

Biological weapons are some of the most insidious, and can be created without a large modern lab. All you need are dead animals, and you can fit the processing equipment inside a semi-truck.

Any chemical plant can produce chemical weapons, it is just a simple matter of what materials you mix and how you mix them.

And on top of this, people have been hiding things in the desert since before the time of the Pharohs. Lots and lota of stuff over there has still to be "found".

As for the why of going to war (this time) I find all this bellyaching irrelevant and childish. The proper process was followed. CONGRESS APPROVED. Now, when things don't turn out the way they were predicted, on the schedule predicted, congresspeople who voted and approved Bush's plan are whining.

What did they think was going to happen? Everything always goes according to plan? Right?

Shure, we were sold a bill of goods, but that is apparently what politicians do. And yet, we keep putting politicians in office. We cry about the laws in this country, but we elect LAWYERS! When do we wake up?
 
Clanky,
You know what they say: Tell a lie enough times and it will become the truth?
You've been lied to so many times you think it's the truth.
#1 The other intelligence services did not come to this conclusion. For that matter, neither did ours. All these other countries that were supposedly "convinced" actually weren't but they did find Bush's "info" compelling enough to be worth looking into. Find me one intelligence service that independently came to the conclusion that Iraq had WMDs.
#2 He only declassified and disseminated the parts of the NIE that supported his position. He did not declassify and disseminate the parts that disagreed (including the conclusion), nor the parts that questioned the validity of the stuff he did release.
Cherry-picking.
 
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