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Amusing...All of this

I got through about 60% of the responses and grew tired to the redirects. One thing I noticed is the lack of Pro-Colt Voices, so I'll take that role.

Smart Gun Technology - actually doesn't sound too bad to me....sci-fi technology, but interesting. Now, is there a low battery indicator light? In my younger years I swore against S&W's magazine disconnect. I bought a 1076 instead of the 1006 that I wanted because the 1076 was FBI spec'd without the mag disconnect. Today....give me a S&W with a mag disconnect. Now I can load a round in the chamber, pop out the mag, and have a "safer" bedside protection piece. Kids change your thinking about accessibility to firearms. If they don't, you are asking to become one of the statistics that fuels the anti-gun crowd and pushes us towards they "deals" with the government!

Colt - heck, I thank all of you boycotting Colt...thank you. You reduce the "demand", hence increasing "supply" and enable me to occassionally find a Colt on the gun shelf. You don't like Colt, S&W, or Ruger because of their "deals" or push towards "safer" firearms....how about Kimber then? Good american company making fine firearms.....oops, buy a Kimber and you pay S&W. Yep, they supply some of the major forgings for Kimber.

Agree with earlier posts regarding expressing your concerns to the company. Driving the american firearms manufacturers towards bankruptcy does nothing for us as firearms owners/enthusiasts.

Before you bring on the flaming rebutals, let me report that the current production Colt and S&W 1911-style handguns are absolutely great firearms! You can keep your overly complex german pistols, constructed of 20% steel, 50% plastic (occassionally aluminum), and 10% thin stamped steel, and 20% springs. Ok, I have provided enough ammunition for one posting.
 
Not a Colt hater here, I own more than a few, but lets face it, they gave up on the civilian market years ago. They took the easy road, because they couldn't compete "overall" with the competition! They still have their political clout with LE and armed services, but even that is FADING. It's a damn shame.
 
If they gave up on the civilian market then why are the gun shops around here still selling Colts? Oh, I guess you mean they aren't as successful as they 'should' be. I wish they had so many of them they'd give them away, but that isn't going to happen.

And I still like my WWI repro and don't regret not getting 2 Glocks or 2.5 CZs instead. I like the feel of the repro, the sights and especially the accuracy. I know, I know, I could've had another Kimber... ;)

John
 
I know the History channel show you saw i think. If it is the one I am thinking, then it is ran at least once a year and the show is around 8 years old. Lots have changed since then.
 
Jakester...

"You can keep your overly complex german pistols, constructed of 20% steel, 50% plastic (occassionally aluminum), and 10% thin stamped steel, and 20% springs."

Hmmm...You including Sig in that? Most of their models can be had in all SS. Complex? Although i haven't tried all semiautos on the market, of the ones I have tried, there is no pistol with easier disassembly. 5 secs, max!

Smart gun? Rather have a Sig P220 type, decocking lever and all, with that wonderful 1911 type grip frame! That's my dream gun...call it a "P211."
Most everybody tells me it can't be done.

Why? "We" can correct mechanical problems on a Jupiter probe from an earthbound computer, but can't build a smart gun or my dream gun?

I believe we have the means these days to produce just about anything we truly set our minds to produce! At this point, smart guns and P211's" aren't priorities!

To those knocking Colt quality: ever fired a Python?
 
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In honor of the Colt boycott Im selling a brand new Colt 6721 fpr $1075 delivered, first person who calls me with a credit card and whispers sensously "I love Colt" gets it

WildsubliminalAlaska
 
Recently read in industry journals that at least one major company (can't remember the name account was on this blog somewere) has given up on trying to perfect a "smart gun" the tech is not anywhere near good enough yet and will not be for decades. Colt is in the weapons research biz can't fault them for looking into it. I agree it does have a potential for abuse by gov, but then name a tech that does not? NJ is plainly trying to choke possession of guns with their smart gun law but its un-workable and will fail, most likely after a long court challange. Its the Soc Rep of NJ afterall :)
 
impossible!!!! a colt for a few nickels and dimes more than a bushie m4gery???!!!!

he has blasphemed! quick, i need a RRA or some other frankenstein-AR before i pass out from the controversey.


A beast is he that casts a stone
Release not me but soon I am free
A life that reaches out and to cry
Slowly seems to claim me back

I deny it to you when the blood dries
Colt, you leave me when no one should
A life that reaches out for another
For life the shell is cracking open

My Colt, you leave me when no one should
Colt, I flow toward insane logic
Colt, please know I did not want this
Always know I did not want this
 
Dream Gun

If only they could integrate the smart gun technology with the Colt All-American 2000......... :D
 
Now I'm European so I may understand it different to you guys, but I don't see anything wrong in a gun that will only fire when I hold it, instead of anyone else. I haven't seen the program so I don't know the whole story. But I really don't understand what the fuzz is all about.
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You just haven't thought about it.

If all of your guns, in the future, end up having to be personalized to YOU, what would happen if your wife was home alone, has no guns of her own, and became victimized by home-invasion robbers or rapists? She now can't use your guns to defend herself.

And the more complex a design is, the more it is prone to failure. Put electronics into a gun, and you increase the potential for it to fail. When will the failure be detected? When you attempt to put the gun to use saving your life.

We already read thread after thread about guns that failed to feed this or failed to eject that or failed to cycle this or failed to go into battery and blah blah blah. You think that it would be a good idea to put battery-operated electronics into that mix?

On top of that, I'm not so worried about someone else getting a hold of my gun. If I'm drawing it on someone, most likely I'm firing it, and right away. The law doesn't allow for scaring someone with it if it's not really necessary to actually use it. I won't be giving someone the chance to grab it from me. If a menacing person has gotten that close, you've already screwed up in your defensive reaction.

And beyond that, law enforcement agencies have -- across the board -- refused to issue these kinds of guns to officers. But WE should have to trust them?

-blackmind
 
Glenn E. something said:
In the abstract, a working safe gun is a reasonable consumer option. We buy guns and holster with varying degrees of safety features. The problem is the legislative process mandating that guns can only be safe guns and using such regulation as a slippery slope attack on all gun ownership.

Companies that made safe guns would be apriori evil if they used such a product to push to ban other options and mandate their usage.

Interestingly, bills mandating safe guns usually exempt the law as they don't want to go near that technology in its current form. They were the major selling point for the guns.
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You are absolutely right that as soon as "smart guns" are developed to a point of being reliable and workable, they would stand a great chance of being rammed down our throats.

Look, they can't even import Walther PPKs into the U.S. any more because of BATFE rules -- as though those guns are such a more lethal threat than anything that can be imported. Why would anyone not believe that the BATFE would just make up a new administrative rule/definition that all newly manufactured guns had to be "smart guns"? This would be done in the same way they do everything: unilaterally, unaccountably, and bureaucratically. Think of the way the NHTSA requires certain things of cars, and the manufacturers are forced to comply.

And Glenn, I can't figure out why you keep referring to these abominations as SAFE guns. Does that mean, by contrast, that user-identifying guns are safe, and traditional guns are NOT safe? :rolleyes: :barf:

-blackmind
 
I like a 'smart gun.'

I like the concept of a 'smart gun' - not because of any PC need - but because I can think of some scenarios where it would be a neat feature ie. the cop who has to worry about someone trying to take away his weapon...or the home defense situation where likewise the weapon cannot be taken away from you and used against you. Then of course it takes certain guns off the street... The problem is the design itself ie. coming up with a design that is 100% reliable and unintrusive to the use of the weapon. Colt needs all the help they can get!
They lost me...when their quality control went out the window and they started producing a shoddier product... If they could develop a new product that generates a lot of sales...then maybe they'd be back in business...

I imagine a pistol like the ol' HK Squeeze Cocker... or there could be a more passive 'smart gun' (revolvers) where you punch a pin # (it could be integral with the lazer sight...) :cool: Some people boo'ed the electric guitar - not me!
 
"Today's gun owners don't have the knowledge of firearms the previous generations had. Therefore, we at Colt feel compelled for the safety of our customers, to develop the smart gun."
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Ouch. I can see why some gun owners would be angry at Colt. I can see the utility of a smart gun, if it was reliable. I wouldn't buy one. When smart guns are developed, several states will not allow the public to own anything else. Notice I say "when" and not "if."

or there could be a more passive 'smart gun' (revolvers) where you punch a pin #
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Wouldn't that slow your draw?
 
"Pardon me, Mr. Bad Guy. This is gonna take minute, I have to enter my SS number to get this darn pistol to work.... Tappity tappity tap tap tap tap tap... Oh darn I pressed the wrong button, hold on...... tappity tappity tap tap tap tap tap tap.... There we go. Freeze!"

To be of any value for self defense, any sort of "Smart Pistol" is going to need to be able to be armed in less than a second.

So, how exactly are these guns going to identify the owner anyways? A fingerprint scanner, even if the technology existed to place a mini version of one on a pistol and identified the user in less than a second, would still be very bad. Suppose I'm wearing winter gloves, or was just working on my car?

What about a radio emitter ring or wristband? It's just another item to forget or lose, and effective range would probably still be around 5 feet, maybe more. Such a device would need to be stored near the pistol to be of defensive use, and what happens when the battery dies?

And what happens when the battery in the gun dies?

And, even if all new guns were required to be fit with such devices, it would be about 3 days before someone found a good, cheap way to circumvent them. It would be simple to simply remove the device, solder in a watch battery, pin a solenoid open, etc.

Such devices would be extremely expensive too. If they happened to double or triple the cost of a pistol, well, too bad.
 
Not that it's germain to the topic of Colt and boycotts, but did not New Joisee specifically exempt their LE Agencies from being inflicted with "Smart Guns" when their head Po-Po's looked aghast whence said subject was broached?
Answer... Yes.

New Jersey`s personalized gun law states: "The provisions of this section shall not apply to handguns to be sold, transferred, assigned and delivered for official use to: (1) State and local law enforcement officers of this State; (2) federal law enforcement officers and any other federal officers and employees required to carry firearms in the performance of their official duties; and (3) members of the Armed Forces of the United States or of the National Guard."

And what about Taurus? Did they not also take some NIJ/NJIT $$ to explore said "Smart Gun" tech and then later back away from their R&D?
Answer... Yes

The Department of Justice announced in 2000 a partnership with Smith & Wesson and FN Manufacturing to study the idea, stemming from the FBI's concern that 57 police officers were slain by their own weapons grabbed from them during the 1990s. Another leading gun maker, Taurus International MFG, is paired up with the New Jersey Institute of Technology to develop the guns.

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2004-11/njio-nsg110404.php
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2004-12/njio-sfa121604.php

And whatever happened to Remington's electric gee-whiz EtronX rifle? Sounds like the perfect segue into doing the same thing for "Dangerous Personal Sniper/Assault Weapons"... Who needs stored kinetic energy in springs to make something go bang? Or not? (Does not come with batteries)

But that's all old news...

Who we gonna Boycott next, huh Wally? :p
 
Colt's product line has shrunk so much in recent years-they've even dropped the Python, they produce NO DA revolvers at present-that they seem
to be boycotting themselves.
 
quality control...

In the last few years when Colt was still making revolvers... I remember a friend bought a brand new Detective .38... He had to immediatly get it 're-throated'. The 'quality control' was that bad... :barf:
 
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