Blew up my Sig P229

I'm curious to see a pic of the pistol as is. Is the OP sure the case ejected? If he can't work the slide, what's its position now?

I suppose the issue may have been a double charge but I doubt it. Even home intended Dillons have a double charge detector as an option. I feel reasonably sure that a huge outfit like Federal has the same.

What I suspect is a case failure. Even at normal 40 sw pressures, this can destroy a gun. The damaged grips strongly imply a failed case but can't tell if the case failed due to a poor case or if it failed due to overpressure. A failed case at normal pressure would also result in a very loud report.
 
I've taken a few, how do I download? They are on my computer, but I don't see a way to post here. Taken with my iPhone and transferred.

Or give me an email address and someone else can post them here.
 
There's a section on how to do things like post pix under the label Forum Support. Go to the front page (home) and then scroll to the bottom to see this section of the board.
 
Peace! Yeah. Bless you all.
I am not a reloader , so I think there is some point obvious that I do not see. Years ago, I bought a box of reloads that were in their original manufacturers box, but with a strip of masking tape saying "RELOADS". This at a gun club show , and from someone I had known for years. Getting home, I realized that due to being familiar with the seller, I failed to ask him if he had personally reloaded, or had got that box in on a trade. My lack of essential knowledge thus prevented ever firing them. Sorry about being so lengthy, but I do not understand what to look for to see if a cartridge has been reloaded - if it should come in the original box, but not marked as reloads? I have bought opened boxes with most of cartridges still there, and fired cases also. These from older people I knew well, who had stopped shooting and were cleaning up. So the box having been opened isn't a reliable indicator for reloads.
Thanks in advance . .Pat:)
 
Again I'll ask where was the "dealer" you bought the ammo from? A question you seem to have missed, or I missed the answer for which if the case I apologize. Not questioning your truthfulness just trying to get further details on if the ammo was actually major manufacturer, in factory bix. Or some "remanufactured" ammo in a new looking box.
 
Pappa, If you buy a box of ammo...at a gunshow or a partial box from anyone:

a. look at the headstamps - are they all the same (if they're not, they are probably reloads) - or they are a box of mixed ammo. Field ammo that ends up in vest pockets, and then gets put back into boxes later..may end up a mix and still all be factory ammo...

b. look at the primers - do they all look the same ( some are brass colored -some are nickel colored - are they seated at the same depth..any irregularites in how deep they are seated ...any variance, they are probably reloads ).

c. If some cases are brass and some are nickel..its a mix ...probably reloads.

d. Look at the bullets...do they all look the same / same color / hollowpoints / are bullets all shaped the same..(in reloads some of us use plated bullets, some jacketed - but most mfg's look a little different. If its a new factory box of ammo - the bullets will all be the same.

e. Look at sides and bases of cases...any nicks, burn marks...discoloring...if there any any irregularities - they're probably reloads.
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In this issue of what ammo the OP had in the gun ..he said its HydraShok...that's pretty easy to spot. But looking a box over ...vs what you know is a new box...will tell you a lot as well.

Since I'm in the "old guy category myself"....if I were getting rid of some old "field ammo" that I no longer wanted, at a show...I'd mark it plainly ( but some guys don't )...its kind of part of the risk you take at the show...ask a lot of questions, but if you know the guy, its probably fine.
 
Peace! Yeah. Bless you all.
I am not a reloader , so I think there is some point obvious that I do not see. Years ago, I bought a box of reloads that were in their original manufacturers box, but with a strip of masking tape saying "RELOADS". This at a gun club show , and from someone I had known for years. Getting home, I realized that due to being familiar with the seller, I failed to ask him if he had personally reloaded, or had got that box in on a trade. My lack of essential knowledge thus prevented ever firing them. Sorry about being so lengthy, but I do not understand what to look for to see if a cartridge has been reloaded - if it should come in the original box, but not marked as reloads? I have bought opened boxes with most of cartridges still there, and fired cases also. These from older people I knew well, who had stopped shooting and were cleaning up. So the box having been opened isn't a reliable indicator for reloads.
Thanks in advance . .Pat


The dead giveaway would be either the stamp on the base of the brass doesn't match the manufacturer on the box, or you find mixed manufacturers' stamps on the base of the brass.

However, let's go to an extreme - all of the cases are from the same manufacturer, and the stamp on the brass matches the manufacturer on the box. Now it becomes more difficult, especially with once-fired brass.

I can take once-fired brass, clean and polish the brass and it looks like new, so there is no way to tell from the brass alone whether the finished cartridge is commercially loaded or reloaded.

You would then have to get into the bullet versus the manufacturer and whether it matches the type of bullet found in a particular manufacturer's ammunition for a specific bullet weight.

Then you'd have to look at the primer, and the only thing you'd see is whether the primer is silver or brass colored and whether that matches specific manufacturer's primer for the bullet weight.

If the brass has been reloaded multiple times, it becomes easier because the brass gets scratched or marked. With ammunition used in a semi-auto, the extractor claw will sometimes leave marks on the rim. Those kind of wear marks don't generally polish out, so the brass, even when it's been polished, looks shiny but "used."

But, with once fired, polished brass from the same manufacturer - really difficult to identify a reload from an original manufacturer's load. Especially if the stamp on the brass matches the manufacturer on the box.
 
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Rest assured I have a new found respect for the ammo I buy and shoot.
The guy at Sig told me he was using the same and was going to check his carefully.
 
Here are a few pictures.

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Looks like the remains of the case are in the chamber,and the case head was ripped off.
Looks like the extractor was blown out.
As I mentioned,I'm not an expert,but from what I see its possible it was defective brass in new factory ammo.Possible.
Once again,I suggest checking into of some lot of Hydra-Shok.

Best to let SIG look at it unmolested,but if the barrel is undamaged(bulge,split,etc) I'd be more inclined to think defective brass.

I don't know Federal's history on the issue.I doubt a production process would make only one piece of bad brass.There should be a history.

40 S+W runs at high pressure.Not all guns sufficiently support the case.A goose egg bulge on the side of a .40 case is not unusual.The bulge can offset the brass in a manner to fracture or shear it.

Dies can reshape/resize this bulge back into apparent shape,but the fracture remains at a critical part of the case....right where yours appears to have failed.
Sig may find you only need an extractor and some grips.
 
Hopefully you are correct, I've tried to find out myself but didn't want to cause any further damage. I've got a FedEx label coming from Sig and then I'll find out.
 
I just extracted the case with some needle nose pliers and here are a couple of pictures.

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Here's to not having to replace the barrel.
 

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the pic of the case in the breach looks like brass, the last pic looks like steel but I'm guessing its the lighting. Is it brass?
 
It's not brass. Or it's not the color of brass I'm used to seeing.

You loaded it and fired it right? Or do you not remember looking at the cases when you loaded them? Also I thought you said you knew it was Federal HydraShok? If that's the case it's nickel plated brass.

It jammed and when I look at it the grip had cracked and there was damage to the chamber.
Well it did fire, blew a hole in the target, ejected the case, damaged the barrel, and forced something back into the grip causing it to crack.

Obviously it didn't eject the case in the end. How did you determine before that the barrel and/or chamber was damaged? Or was the damage you thought you saw actually the ruptured case?
 
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Never said I loaded it. Part of the damage I thought I saw was the case. If you say it's nickel coated brass then it must be.

OsyterBoy said: "It looked like it fired out of battery." That's a possibility of course but I think I might have noticed a slide not all the way forward.
 
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