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Blew up my Sig P229
- Thread starter HughScot
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Aguila Blanca
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Why?peggysue said:Has to be a defect in the SIG
No ammo maker has ever shipped an overloaded cartridge?
I beg to differ. Check out Buffalo Bore ammo which offers .40S&W +P.
It's marketing from Buffalo Bore. There is no SAAMI spec for 40SW +p. This was clarified earlier in the thread.
'FC' isn't just Federal. Prvi and Departmento de la Industrial Militar, Mexico City, Mexico use it too.
Sounds like a squib load regardless of who made it. SIG may or may not do anything. Suspect the 'not' though. Out of warrantee means just that. However, "What ammo?" will be their first question. Then they'll likely tell you to talk to Federal. What colour are the primers?
Sounds like a squib load regardless of who made it. SIG may or may not do anything. Suspect the 'not' though. Out of warrantee means just that. However, "What ammo?" will be their first question. Then they'll likely tell you to talk to Federal. What colour are the primers?
Deaf Smith
New member
Just send it to SIG,
send it by mail,
send it in care of the Birmingham jail (well not really.)
They will make good.
Deaf
send it by mail,
send it in care of the Birmingham jail (well not really.)
They will make good.
Deaf
sigarms228
New member
Maybe someone knows this, but if memory serves, while the SIGs can take +P loads, I recall somewhere along the line that SIG discourages a steady diet of +P. Thoughts?
Pretty much every manufacturer states in their manuals that use of +P ammo can result in faster wear on parts. If steady use then it is a good idea to change recoil spring more often than recommended 5000 round interval for SIGs.
The P229 is a very robust pistol design. +P is within SAAMI standard.
This is from current P series SIG manual:
3.0 Ammunition
1. Use only high-quality, original, factory-manufactured ammunition. Do not use
cartridges that are dirty, wet, corroded, bent, or damaged. Do not oil cartridges.
Do not spray aerosol-type lubricants, preservatives, or cleaners directly onto
cartridges or where excess spray may flow into contact with cartridges. Lubricant
or other foreign matter on cartridges can cause potentially dangerous ammunition
malfunctions. Only use ammunition of the caliber for which your firearm is
chambered. The proper caliber is permanently engraved on your firearm; never
attempt to use ammunition of any other caliber.
2. The use of reloaded, “remanufactured” hand-loaded, or other non-standard
ammunition voids all warranties. Reloading is a science and improperly loaded
ammunition can be extremely dangerous. Severe damage to the firearm and
serious injury to the shooter or to others may result. Always use ammunition that
complies with the industry performance standards established by the Sporting
Arms and Ammunition Manufacturers’ Institute, Inc. (SAAMI) of the United States
or ammunition manufactured to military specifications.
Maybe someone knows this, but if memory serves, while the SIGs can take +P loads, I recall somewhere along the line that SIG discourages a steady diet of +P. Thoughts?
OP's gun is a .40S&W.... NO SUCH THING AS +P IN THIS CALIBER. Exception is a couple of manufacturers claim this but doubtful the pressure on theirs exceeds SAAMI specs because no manufacturer has a +P in this caliber.
Pretty much every manufacturer states in their manuals that use of +P ammo can result in faster wear on parts. If steady use then it is a good idea to change recoil spring more often than recommended 5000 round interval for SIGs.
The P229 is a very robust pistol design. +P is within SAAMI standard.
This is from current P series SIG manual:
For 9mm or other calibers with a +P SAAM spec I agree. But we're not talking 9mm so +p is not within SAAMI.
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GunXpatriot
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I'm glad you weren't hurt. Definitely a troubling experience, having regular off the shelf ammo cause something like this. Obviously rare in the grand scheme of things, but you'd definitely have thought this would be an issue of a bad reload.
Do you think you'd be able to post a pic of the damage?
Do you think you'd be able to post a pic of the damage?
johnwilliamson062
Moderator
I have weened one important tidbit from this thread. If SAAMI were to dissolve tomorrow quite a few members would sell their firearms as there would no longer be any ammunition loaded for any legitimate cartridge as there would be no more legitimate cartridges.
Cheapshooter
New member
It's not about no legitimate ammo being available if there were no Small Arms Manufacturing Industry standards. It's about boutique ammo makers using the +P designation for over standard pressure loads that do not have a +P pressure designation from SAAMI.It's disturbing that companies want to falsely use terminology from an industry safety organization to sell over pressure ammunition to people that bought a 40 S&W, and try toturn it into a 10Mm. Or buy a 380, and want it to be a 9MM Luger!I have weened one important tidbit from this thread. If SAAMI were to dissolve tomorrow quite a few members would sell their firearms as there would no longer be any ammunition loaded for any legitimate cartridge as there would be no more legitimate cartridges.
Cheapshooter
New member
Well, by many years ago it is less likely that it was some of the "remanufactured" ammo put together in abbasement, or pole barn out back operation. But there were a few around. You didn't answer if it was bought from a gunshop, or a dealer at a gunshow. You also don't remember anything about tye box, which could also indicate the source.It was bought in a box many years ago. They were kept in a plastic case.
By plastic case, I assume you mean one of tye plastic ammo boxes with a grid of dividers to keep each round seperate. That shouls have protected the rounds sufficently to keep a bullet from being pushed back into the case even if dropped a normal table top distance.
sigarms228
New member
For 9mm or other calibers with a +P SAAM spec I agree. But we're not talking 9mm so +p is not within SAAMI.
OP already clarified that he was not using +P ammo. I was responding to armedleo and his question about SIGs in general and +P which is a common question/concern and pretty sure he was talking about ordinary within SAAMI spec +P such as for 9MM and .45.
Double Naught Spy
New member
I do now know they were definitely Federal Hydra Shock. I had another box in 380 caliber. Won't be using those.
How did you determine they were Federal Hydra Shok?
The slide will not come off so the pics are not clear enough to show anything.
There is no reason the pics can't be clear enough. Based on what I have seen by others, they try to get the camera inside the focal range to get closeups and so they are blurry. Take the pics at the closest distance they are in focus and then zoom the picture digitally (or just crop the sides to remove excess).
If you don't know how to do that with the pics, PM me for an email address and send me the pics and I will do that for you and get them posted.
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