Blew up my Sig P229
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"Unsupported" may be a little misleading.
Fore example,you could say many bolt action rifles,such as the 1903A3 Springfield,The P-17 Enfield,the Model 70 Winchester...were cone breech rifles.
I'd guess about .250 of the rear of the cartridge brass has no steel around it.
But the caseweb thickness makes it work.And they do work at over 60 k psi.
The 1911 as JMB built it,has a portion of the feed ramp cut forward into the chamber.
The 45 was meant to operate at about 18,000 (cup?PSI? probably cup)
True,the 38 Auto,38 Super exceeded that,but early attempts to hot rod the Super bulged and blew cases.
The answerwas modifying the 1911 frame and fitting a "ramped" barrel.
With a comp to delay the slide/unlocking,one of my brother's race guns has been shooting over 40,000 psi loads for 40 years.(1450 fps with a 124 gr bullet) .Its a 1911,and it uses 10 lb to 12 lb recoil springs.
I don't know the Glock well enough to say much,other than seeing bulged case and kb pix.
If a goose egged case does not fail,and if it is discarded,no problem.
But that brass is compromised..maybe even fractured .Resizing it to shape does no heal the brass.
A "No reloads" policy gets around that.
And who knows what you get with re-mfgd ammo or processed once fired brass,or range pickup.
I can see how a cartridge case redsign might be necessary.
My S+W M+P 9 Compact is not a Shield,but its close.The chamber I see supports the case quite well.
What CAN happen,Earl gets his dremel out and polishes that feed ramp just like the guy on youtube with the claw hammer on his kitchen table does.!!We'll round and blend!! That thing will feed like.goose goop through a tin horn!!
Yeah NOW you have an unsupported cartridge.
Fore example,you could say many bolt action rifles,such as the 1903A3 Springfield,The P-17 Enfield,the Model 70 Winchester...were cone breech rifles.
I'd guess about .250 of the rear of the cartridge brass has no steel around it.
But the caseweb thickness makes it work.And they do work at over 60 k psi.
The 1911 as JMB built it,has a portion of the feed ramp cut forward into the chamber.
The 45 was meant to operate at about 18,000 (cup?PSI? probably cup)
True,the 38 Auto,38 Super exceeded that,but early attempts to hot rod the Super bulged and blew cases.
The answerwas modifying the 1911 frame and fitting a "ramped" barrel.
With a comp to delay the slide/unlocking,one of my brother's race guns has been shooting over 40,000 psi loads for 40 years.(1450 fps with a 124 gr bullet) .Its a 1911,and it uses 10 lb to 12 lb recoil springs.
I don't know the Glock well enough to say much,other than seeing bulged case and kb pix.
If a goose egged case does not fail,and if it is discarded,no problem.
But that brass is compromised..maybe even fractured .Resizing it to shape does no heal the brass.
A "No reloads" policy gets around that.
And who knows what you get with re-mfgd ammo or processed once fired brass,or range pickup.
I can see how a cartridge case redsign might be necessary.
My S+W M+P 9 Compact is not a Shield,but its close.The chamber I see supports the case quite well.
What CAN happen,Earl gets his dremel out and polishes that feed ramp just like the guy on youtube with the claw hammer on his kitchen table does.!!We'll round and blend!! That thing will feed like.goose goop through a tin horn!!
Yeah NOW you have an unsupported cartridge.
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Good on Federal!
Good post L-2 on the 90s case issues in .40.
Good post L-2 on the 90s case issues in .40.
Glad you didn't get hurt and Federal is taking care of your gun.
When I took a rocket propulsion seminar a long time ago a German scientist started out the lecture by showing us videos of rockets blowing up on launch pads and soon after liftoff. After a period of silence he said in a thick German accent:
"A rocket is a high explosive that sometimes does what you want it to ..."
Nothing you could have done differently, shooting glasses are a must for all of us, and for us reloaders don't let anything distract you ...
When I took a rocket propulsion seminar a long time ago a German scientist started out the lecture by showing us videos of rockets blowing up on launch pads and soon after liftoff. After a period of silence he said in a thick German accent:
"A rocket is a high explosive that sometimes does what you want it to ..."
Nothing you could have done differently, shooting glasses are a must for all of us, and for us reloaders don't let anything distract you ...
OP, glad you weren't injured and the manufacturers involved took care of things.
Hope I never have a problem with a firearm or a cartridge. I may not look for help here.
Skepticism is healthy in certain amounts, but it seemed like the OPs integrity was questioned an awful lot in this thread. Details are important in any problem solving scenario. It is improbable that anyone would remember every detail and what they do recall may not be accurate. This is not the fault of the witness, but more the mind and the mysterious ways in which it works.
Hope I never have a problem with a firearm or a cartridge. I may not look for help here.
Skepticism is healthy in certain amounts, but it seemed like the OPs integrity was questioned an awful lot in this thread. Details are important in any problem solving scenario. It is improbable that anyone would remember every detail and what they do recall may not be accurate. This is not the fault of the witness, but more the mind and the mysterious ways in which it works.
Not a problem with the 597 since!johnwilliamson062
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Remington gun
Remington rimfire ammo
They can't run from that one, can they?
Remington rimfire ammo
They can't run from that one, can they?
WOW, this has been a whirlwind of a thread but I stuck it out to the end and really learned a lot!!!
HughScot, Thanks for posting and having the patience to stay engaged, I'm not sure I would have. I have always shied away from the .40S&W and either go 9mm or 45 acp. My EDC is 45, low pressures and heavy lead.
Glad you weren't hurt and that both Sig and Federal are stepping up like they should.
Stay safe and keep shooting.
HughScot, Thanks for posting and having the patience to stay engaged, I'm not sure I would have. I have always shied away from the .40S&W and either go 9mm or 45 acp. My EDC is 45, low pressures and heavy lead.
Glad you weren't hurt and that both Sig and Federal are stepping up like they should.
Stay safe and keep shooting.