Blasphemy to many...but a welcome tool to the shed for me.

[couldbeanyone]

Pfletch83 said

If you are a leader you're leading two things at the moment....Jack and spit...Jack left town about a half hour ago,you might want to catch up to him.

I understand that you were attacked, but with this kind of response you are getting over into the same territory Winchester_73 was in when his first response to your thread was to call you ignorant. So maybe you could stand to chill a little as well.
This sort of thing doesn't help anyone. You are both calling names and overstating your cases without real hard facts to back them up.
Glenn E. Meyer summed up the truth in post 36. We just don't have enough data yet in real shootings to really compare the efficacy of the Governor to other handguns. If someone has some factual input with data to back it up, I would love to hear it.
I am not on either side in this. My response to Winchester_73 was to simply make the point that if you want to make a reasoned response that has a chance of being heard, it is best to not start by telling someone they have been claimed the victim of ignorance and then snarkilly argue endlessly with them. Pfletch83, you are beginning to encroach on this territory.
As to popular opinion, I know way more people who think the governor/judge is a not a great idea.
You guys aren't convincing anyone with your overstated opinions, and yes they are opinions. I for one am a little sick of people on here who can't have a civil discourse and feel it is their responsibility to belittle anyone who's opinions don't match their own.
Perhaps someone else will have some input that will actually add something to this subject. I owned A Judge (sold it) and I can't say my experience with it convinced me that it was either far superior or inferior at close range.

 

[Brad]

Winchester_73,

I continue to be amazed by someone who has absolutely no experience with a particular gun, can claim any kind of authority or expertise relative to its use. Sorry, spec sheet analysis just doesn't cut it no matter how much you want to claim otherwise.

If you want to analyze a weapon you need to somehow evaluate its reliability, its accuracy, and its effectiveness based on its intended role for an individual's personal situation. Since you've never owned or spent time with it, your opinion on the reliability or accuarcy of the weapon is less than useless. And since you have no idea of my, or probably anyone else's, personal situation you have no value or potenital insight to offer.

That doesn't mean, of course, that you aren't entitled to your armchair opinion, no matter how lacking it might be. But I just want to point out to current and future readers of this thread that I own and have used the Governor for the last 18 months and find it:

1. Very accurate.
2. Comfortable in the hand.
3. Well made and featured.
4. 100% reliable
5. And extremely fun to shoot.

As a reader of this (or any other Governor thread) you can either get your information from those who own one, or consider the armchair analysis of those that don't.

Your choice.

 

[Winchester_73]

your opinion on the reliability or accuarcy of the weapon is less than useless. And since you have no idea of my, or probably anyone else's, personal situation you have no value or potenital insight to offer.

I didn't say its not reliable, I simply said there are better choices. My points come from the spec sheet, is this that hard for you? Its obvious its harder to shoot accurately than many semi handguns. I guess everyone here failed science class or something. The gun does not do anything that other guns didn't do before. Unlike you, I don't need to own it to make those statements. You owning the gun does not support your assertions about its usefulness. It is your opinion that its a worthwhile purchase. There is no "personal situation" that makes this gun more useful than a shotgun or another type of handgun. You bought it, so I guess you should be in favor of it.

You don't understand that the criticisms do not require one own the gun. Your statements about you owning it vs someone not owning it are taking light off the logical questions about this such as: why not use a 12 gauge shotgun if in the home? Why not use a similar size higher capacity pistol? Why use the gun for 45 acp when there are 45 acp guns such as smaller 1911 variants?

You owning it doesn't explain any of my questions. You owning it only proves you drank the kool-aid and me not owning it proves I did not. Since owning it makes your opinion "valid" on its strengths/weaknesses , you should be better able to explain why its better than another gun.

 

[mavracer]

That doesn't mean, of course, that you aren't entitled to your armchair opinion, no matter how lacking it might be. But I just want to point out to current and future readers of this thread that I own and have used the Governor for the last 18 months and find it:

1. Very accurate.
2. Comfortable in the hand.
3. Well made and featured.
4. 100% reliable
5. And extremely fun to shoot.

So 18 months of ownership and still you have nothing to say about it effectiveness???

Two FACTS you seem to be missing.
First A single shot flintlock pistol can be.
1. Very accurate.
2. Comfortable in the hand.
3. Well made and featured.
4. 100% reliable
5. And extremely fun to shoot.
Second I don't need to shoot one to tell you a single shot flintlock isn't a more effective choice for SD than a modern 9mm semi auto would be.

 

[Nanuk]

It is a niche gun, a range toy.

The heavy cylinder will make a really nice trigger evasive.

If I still lived in the southwest desert where rattle snakes were common, it would be awesome to have, or maybe to clean pigeons from the barn.

Have you timed yourself to see how fast you can get multiple hits at 10 yards? I am interested in what kind of group it shoots with what loads. Wjat size of group at 25 yards with 45 ACP/Colt?

Firing 1 shot on one pig is way too small of a sample to gather any useful conclusion from.

 

[Brad]

Effective for what? A home defense situation, for woods carry, as a daily carry weapon? I'm not sure what you're getting at.

I, like many others on this forum, own a variety of firearms for both utilitarian and enjoyment reasons. I don't own the Governor because it is the best weapon for a specific defense scenario. While I would feel confident in its use as both a carry alternative and a home defense choice, I did not buy it for that reason.

I bought it because I like to shoot and I especially like revolvers. For me, the Governor is the answer to a personal issue with frame size. The smaller-than-N-frame grip allows me to shoot .45 ACP comfortably and accurately. I have owned N frames in all caliibers and have never felt as comfortable as I do with the Governor. This may or may not be important to you.

Somehow, when I read threads like these a number of posters want to compare the Governor to single caliber alternatives and make a determination of usefullness based on some narrow criteria. Why? Can't people just enjoy the firearm for what it is?

As I stated in a previous post, with the Governor I can shoot a tight group .with 45ACP at 30'. For me, that's effective. For you, that might be wildly off the mark.

 

[Ben Towe]

In all my years of discussing guns and calibers I have learned a few concrete truths:

A 9mm is the greatest defense round ever devised by man.
A 9mm cannot reliably kill a tenacious ground squirrel.

.410 handguns are useless gimmick whose only role is a range toy.
.410 handguns are the best medicine for bad guys this side of a 155mm field piece.

A 1911 was blessed by the tears of John Moses Browning and there is nothing that is even in the same league.
A 1911 is an over-hyped archaic design that has no place in the modern world.


Need I continue? The arguments are decades old and they will never be settled. The guns and calibers change but it's always the same old argument. Quit raring and cussing at each other and agree to disagree. People will have their opinions, getting mad over it is a complete waste of time.

 

[shortwave]

Ben Towe,

You listed what you've learned in all your years discussing guns and calibers and I believe you.

I also believe that you left out one thing I know you've learned as well...

this...

...

Until someone can come up with a large enough sample of shootings with the Judge, Governor guns with various loads and compares them to shootings with Glocks (for example) with quality ammo and finds :

1. A significant difference in efficacy
2. An effect size that suggests a useful increase in efficacy

Claiming that either can't do the job is really just baloney.

Anecdotes and shooting macroni and cheese don't cut it.

posted by Glenn way back in post #36 (I think) on 2nd page of this thread.

And you know what???... that post just as true when it was written on the second page of this thread as it is now, many posts later.

There has not been one shred of solid evidence to confirm either side of this debate. Just 4 pages of opinions and some claiming certain things to be facts to try and prove their side of this debate but can't back up what they're saying as fact.

One thing I can say for sure, my Judge is a snowball killing machine.
But before a few chime in with "a regular shotgun would probably kill them better"...you're right...but my little Judge is a lot more fun to do it with.

 

[Glenn E. Meyer]

On that genius analysis and since folks are getting a touch personal, I think I'll bring down the gavel on another Judge/Governor thread.

Good night to all.

Glenn