Black Person, Black Hoodie = Reasonable Suspicion?

Rusty35 said:
I think whats in question here is the police pulled over a female not wearing a hoodie.
And they were potentially not professional in their behavior.
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At last ... someone sees the issue for what it is (was).
 
How does a thug dress
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Funny because most people I know can identify a thug or wantabe thug without a problem... The gang hand symbols and tattoo sleeves, sagging britches and poor ability to say the word "you" usually help hint at it... Its not color dependent...
 
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Having lived at Fort Polk for more than 5 years I have a real good idea of what Lake Charles is like and I was there for Katrina and Rita.....

And my statement is still true...

Only thugs I personally know are thugs, wear 3 piece Armani or such.
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I dont see these guys robbing places on my tv... Maybe they use laws, finances and brains but much less likely armed robbery of a gas station..
 
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Allegations of profiling and racial mistreatment seem to attract and hold people's attention. They certainly got my initial attention in this case. But I have a learned behavior related to my work, which requires that I not embrace first impressions and pick everything about an issue apart. In this case, the claims about the nature of racial mistreatment 'feel' plausible, but the details provided about police procedure do not.

I know I will be flamed for diverging from the vigorous discussion of is it or is it not profiling and racial mistreatment, but I vote for this story being a fabrication.
 
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Having lived at Fort Polk for more than 5 years I have a real good idea of what Lake Charles is like and I was there for Katrina and Rita.....

And my statement is still true...

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Only thugs I personally know are thugs, wear 3 piece Armani or such.
I dont see these guys robbing places on my tv... Maybe they use laws, finances and brains but much less likely armed robbery of a gas station..
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So you haven't been watching the news about all the illegal guns being sold to Mexico?

Its not that you haven't seen it, you just have it in your mind that thugs dress a certain way.
 
you just have it in your mind that thugs dress a certain way
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Whats more likely in a real day in real life?? That a guy in a business suit walks up and starts shooting up a gas station as part of a hold up or some guy tattooed from head to toe whos to lazy to even try to form full words and pull his/her britches up?

Fast and Felonious certainly has its thugs in suits but they are unlikely to personally be shooting up the place..... Even in F & F I think we would tend to find different attire with most of the shooters.

Whos more likely to rob you someone with a greater level of weath than you or the person who is predatory and finds personally imposed violent crime is a good way to make money to live hand to mouth?
 
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you just have it in your mind that thugs dress a certain way
Whats more likely in a real day in real life.... That a guy in a business suit walks up and starts shooting up a gas station as part of a hold up or some guy tattooed from head to toe whos to lazy to even try to form full words and pull his/her britches up?

Fast and Felonious certainly has its thugs but they are unlikely to personally be shooting up the place.....

Whos more likely to rob you someone with a greater level of weath than you or the person who is predatory and finds personally imposed violent crime is a good way to make money to live hand to mouth?
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So far in my experience,The person with the greater wealth.
 
What do cowboys dress like? Is it like thugs?

If someone wears a cowboy hat can they not be a thug?

Or will they have to be a cowboy?
 
Ah yes, I was wondering when we'd get to this. The other surefire way to identify a ne'er-do-well, TATTOOS! Surely the only people who would get tattoos are ones whose nefarious acts prove they are up to no good!

It's not the 1950s. Doctors, teachers, lawyers, EVERYONE has tattoos. No longer does a tattoo mean this person is of less than reputable character.

I will concede that dress, mannerisms, tattoos, and LOCATION when all bundled together may indicate more awareness is needed. But if you're in a relatively docile part of town and you see someone in loose fitting jeans with some tattoos showing, heck maybe even has his hat on crooked, chances are the guy is no more a threat to your safety than you are to his.
 
So far in my experience,The person with the greater wealth.
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Really because Im willing to be the overall crime statistics for any given state wouldnt support that assumption... You personal experince could well be totally true and without being sarcastic Id love to hear about it in an different thread... :cool:

Im willing to bet that more numbers of murderous and violent felons wear hoodies than Armani... I am looking forward to seeing the Armani suits on the cops shows though... it would add a touch of class...:rolleyes:

I get the point that anyone can be violent but my point is on average the guy in a mid priced business suits a lot less likely to commit forced entry or armed robbery than the guy or gal in a hoodie... (by sheer statistical numbers)

Its not a color or a lack of color thing, its just the simple truth...
 
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What do cowboys dress like? Is it like thugs?

If someone wears a cowboy hat can they not be a thug?

Or will they have to be a cowboy?
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Here in West Texas the Cowboys wear hoodies, as do the cotton farmers and rough necks on the oil field.

Most of our thugs wear suits, or clothes they have stolen.
 
I don't have a tattoo....

or a hoodie...


But I see cowboys wear hoodies. This must be why cow punching is so dangerous.
 
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Ah yes, I was wondering when we'd get to this. The other surefire way to identify a ne'er-do-well, TATTOOS! Surely the only people who would get tattoos are ones whose nefarious acts prove they are up to no good!

It's not the 1950s. Doctors, teachers, lawyers, EVERYONE has tattoos. No longer does a tattoo mean this person is of less than reputable character.

I will concede that dress, mannerisms, tattoos, and LOCATION when all bundled together may indicate more awareness is needed. But if you're in a relatively docile part of town and you see someone in loose fitting jeans with some tattoos showing, heck maybe even has his hat on crooked, chances are the guy is no more a threat to your safety than you are to his.
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Agreed, and also some Doctors,Lawyers and Teachers are thugs.
And some guy with loose fitting jeans and tattoos is very likely to be one of
us, since most of us wear clothes that are to large tin order to conceal our hand gun.
 
Yeah, the guys in the suits might steal the money, but they are not the ones doing home invasions, or selling drugs outside my house, or mugging the neighbors. On the other hand, I am not too worried about the guys in the suits since that is what I had to wear when I was working. I didn't steal anyone's money, I worked up to 80 hours a week every week day in, day out. Never once did a man in a suit ever once bother me. Can't say the same for the gangsta style folks.
 
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Rusty35
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Agreed, and also some Doctors,Lawyers and Teachers are thugs.
And some guy with loose fitting jeans and tattoos is very likely to be one of
us, since most of us wear clothes that are to large tin order to conceal our hand gun.
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Man, you must live in a rough neighborhood. I have no problem CCW my EDC under my suit. Makes it quite easy really.

BTW, I have never once met a doctor in my entire medical career that I would call a thug. Not sure why you are picking on docs, but I am no thug young man.
 
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Today, 08:10 PM #97
Rusty35
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Agreed, and also some Doctors,Lawyers and Teachers are thugs.
And some guy with loose fitting jeans and tattoos is very likely to be one of
us, since most of us wear clothes that are to large tin order to conceal our hand gun.
Man, you must live in a rough neighborhood. I have no problem CCW my EDC under my suit. Makes it quite easy really.
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Yeah its pretty rough here, I wear a hoodie, and I dont steal anyone's money either, I have stuck my whole arm up a cows but, and I am sure she thought I was a thug, and now hates anyone wearing hoodies.
 
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