Birth control can help stop rapists

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I wanted to share an article with you guys because I think it is extremely interesting. When you think about us(law abiding gun owners) versus them (evil bad guys that want to rape and kill) , do you ever stop to think why they are like that in the first place? For those that know something about hormones, I believe that it is an uncontrollable urge for these violent sexual offenders. Luckily we dont have the hormonal imbalances that they do.

Incarceration for violent sexual offenders DOES NOT WORK, how many times have you heard about one getting out of prison only to rape someone again and again? I wanted to share with you guys a pretty inventive form of therapy for these sexual offenders, and I believe that it is the best action we can take against this kind of ghastly behavior that I have seen. What are your thoughts?

Here is an excerpt from this article : Sexual Violence

One approach to rehabilitation that is gaining popularity in various states is “chemical castration”—the use of Depo-Provera, a drug that decreases the level of the hormone testosterone in men. Lowered testosterone levels lead to a dramatic decrease in sexual thoughts and fantasies, proponents of Depo-Provera argue, and can often eliminate a sex offender’s urge to commit sexual crimes. For example, Steven, a Maryland rapist who received Depo-Provera injections during and after his incarceration, maintains that his treatment has been successful: “The will to have sex [is] still there. . . . But Depo-Provera allows you the time, mentally, to make the decision about whether this is an appropriate behavior. . . . Sex doesn’t control me anymore.”

Other supporters of Depo-Provera point out that in countries requiring surgical or chemical castration for sex offenders, the recidivism rate of child molesters has dropped from nearly 100 percent to 2 percent. Moreover, they argue, tests conducted in the United States report a repeat-offense rate of only 5 percent for sex criminals treated with the drug. In the opinion of Douglas J. Besharov of the American Enterprise Institute, “The use of hormone-suppressing drugs . . . holds great promise for reducing the level of sexual violence against women and children.” Besharov contends that the use of Depo-Provera provides assurance that the sex criminal will not be a threat to the community that becomes his home after his release.
 
I've read a bit about this, and while the chemical castration may be effective with child molesters (which might be viewed as a type of sexual or aurousal dysfunction), rapists are not committing a sexual crime. Rape is generally a violent crime that uses rape as the weapon. Removing sexual function takes away the weapon, but not the will to do violence.

But if science shows this is effective, I'm all for it. I just think it misses the mark for those who prey on women.
 
Only until they stop taking the drug, which they will most cetainly do as soon as they can.
My doctor has always said I have higher then normal testosterone levels but I don't have the sick urge to rape women/children.
Drugs are not a cure all. Why does it seem like people are getting pumped full of them these days?
If they desire sex so much, leave them in the slammer and let the other inmates have at them. :D
 
If they desire sex so much, leave them in the slammer and let the other inmates have at them.
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Yeah, thats fine. Let that happen for 5 or 6 years of being locked away, and then let him out in your neighborhood.

If a drug like this can curb sexual desire in repeat sexual offenders, why not use it? To me, its the only thing that works. Prison is not a deterrent for these kind of people. They are consumed by these sexual thoughts.

Who cares about the side effects these drugs can have on the offenders ( weight gain, fatigue) How about the side effect of a raped loved one or child?
 
we live in a society that is dominated by sex. look at television, magazines, internet ads, anything and you will find something relating to sex. look at the clothes they make, all about sex. look at our childrens role models, all about sex. i can't even check my email without being presented with some babe, or some dating service, or which celebrity is bedding who, and that doesn't even count the crap that is in my inbox.

now we propose giving certain people drugs to inhibit their sexual drive. while at the same time giving other people drugs to enhance their sexual drive. just doesn't sit right with me.

to much like putting tape over the 'check engine' light. just covering symptoms without addressing the root of the problem. its the oxygen sensor my friend.
 
we live in a society that is dominated by sex. look at television, magazines, internet ads, anything and you will find something relating to sex.
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So before the advent of magazines and TV there werent any sexual offenders?

Its not a band-aid to me, prison sentences are the band aids. The root cause of these people's disturbing behavior is chemical imbalances.

Some who are bi-polar is another example. You can say to them, hey snap out of it! Get a grip on yourself. But in actuality, its the fluctuations in serotonin(the chemical which makes us happy) levels in their body that is the culprit. Medication has controlled this disorder very well.
 
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"Medication has controlled this disorder very well."

Now all you have to do, as 1BadF350 points out, is make the bad guy take his medication for the rest of his life.

Tim
 
Now all you have to do, as 1BadF350 points out, is make the bad guy take his medication for the rest of his life.
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Well, birth control can be implanted so that it works for months. He should have to have it impanted every few months as part of his parole, or else he goes back to prison.

The alternative is that you take his "word" that he wont rape any more little girls, after he has already been sent to prison 3 times for it.
 
So before the advent of magazines and TV there werent any sexual offenders?
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i don't know, were there?

i guess you only have to look at the statues, art, and heiroglyphics of the ancients, their form of media. chock full of sex.

besides, in some societies it is ok to have relations with little boys. where would someone even get an idea like that? they would have to learn it from somewhere. all this crap with michael jackson puts lots of ideas into peoples heads. ideas they never would come up with on their own. and in muslim countries, from my understanding, it is the womens fault if she is raped. explains the burkha. so who is defining the morality in these cases?

as for chemical imbalances, what causes these 'chemical imbalances'? do they occur because of all the chemicals that we pump into the atmosphere, our water, our food, and our bodies? or are these chemical imbalances part of the 'working-as-designed' aspects of our body?

if you have a headache, do you instantly reach for the advil? do you ever ask yourself why you have a headache? dehydration? wouldn't water be a better solution than advil? covering the symptoms and not addressing the root of the problem. drugs are built solely for this purpose. and drugs make lots of money. it is way more profitable to cover the symptoms than to fix the problem.

ok sorry for the rant, i just can't stand the 'solution' of drugs for everything from baldness to sexual depravity. drug companies care about one thing: profit. my wife is a nurse and she sees it on a daily basis. person will die unless they get this $50,000 / day drug. and before you go off on research costs and such, ask yourself a couple questions: why do drug company execs live in expensive homes and drive expensive cars and wear expensive suits and watches? because they care about peoples lives?
 
"The alternative is that you take his "word" that he wont rape any more little girls, after he has already been sent to prison 3 times for it."

That would be one alternative, sure. Another and more effective one would be to leave him in prison until he's dead the first time he does it.

Tim
 
to much like putting tape over the 'check engine' light. just covering symptoms without addressing the root of the problem.
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Saying that "sexual media causes rape" is about as sophisticated as saying "guns cause violence".


Rape is a violent crime with a sexual element. But it is essentially violence enacted by a violent person. No amount of arousal in the world will explain that violence.
 
From what I've seen all males are horny until the day they die. It's just how well you can keep your hormones in check. I don't know how long this thread will be open, the mods will close it when they get wind of it since it's OT.
 
Saying that "sexual media causes rape" is about as sophisticated as saying "guns cause violence".
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you are comparing apples to oranges, handy.

guns - inanimate object, puts no ideas in the head
sexual media - human behavior modifier, puts lots of ideas in the head

actually this is a very sophisticated problem that is based in human behavior, which is the root of the problem.

my opinion: voluntary violent human behavior is learned. where does the person learn it? well, many places. easiest two are from their immediate personal influences (family) and from media, books, television.

so instead of asking why this person raped or used a gun to kill someone, we should ask where did they learn this behavior? when this question is answered, then we can address the root of the problem.

using drugs and prison is just covering symptoms, sometimes making the symptoms even worse than they were to begin with.
 
Another and more effective one would be to leave him in prison until he's dead the first time he does it.
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hey i would be all for that, except one thing, our prisons are already exploding at the seams. Maybe de-criminalize drug offenders, to make room for the violent sexual offenders?
This thread might be OT, but seeing how many threads are started on here about preventing rapes at gunpoint, I think it would be great to not even have hold someone at gunpoint, or having to spend millions on prosecuting them if this method works.
 
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The root cause of these people's disturbing behavior is chemical imbalances.
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That's a non-answer. EVERYTHING WE DO is a result of chemicals and electrical impulses. If you can explain away bad behavior like it is a just a bad recipe, then please tell me what the recipe is for ensuring good behavior. I have a close family member that has been fighting clinical depression for more than a decade. He's been on scores of different drugs and so far the "experts" haven't found the right recipe to fix his imbalance.

If solving a problem of this magnitude is as simple as you say, why isn't it fixed already? I'll tell you why: It isn't that simple. It is not a panacea.

The next step is to excuse the bad behavior itself because of a supposed chemical imbalance. Then, what's to stop everyone from simply claiming an imbalance of some sort to get out of everything from a traffic ticket to murder? Don't buy into this "excuse making" for criminal behavior. It's a slippery slope.

I say that the root cause of their behavior is simply a failure to control their destructive urges. They just don't want to do it. They should be held responsible for their actions for a period of time comensurate with their crime. Perhaps the problem is that sexual offenders aren't being kept incarcerated long enough?
 
Redhawk,

You are connecting two psychologically unconnected acts: Sex and rape.

While porn might be linked to promiscuous behavior, it has nothing to do with violent behavior.

Rape is violence, pure and simple. Do you actually believe that sexual urges actually cause men to become rapists??!!! Are sailors coming home from a long deployment a likely source of widespread sex crimes?


Connecting rape to sexuality is the worst sort of Puritan nonsense. Unless you believe that you are a potential rapist because you're male - in which case you need help.
 
That would be one alternative, sure. Another and more effective one would be to leave him in prison until he's dead the first time he does it.
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I don't want to pay for some puke to sit in prison for life.

Stick 'em on death row, give em two years to prove innocence, if time is up, so is life. Electricity for 30seconds + 2 years of jail time costs the public a lot less than life, and it will give the victim's family some peace of mind.

Connecting rape to sexuality is the worst sort of Puritan nonsense. Unless you believe that you are a potential rapist because you're male - in which case you need help.
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Stick 'em on death row, give em two years to prove innocence, if time is up, so is life. Electricity for 30seconds + 2 years of jail time costs the public a lot less than life, and it will give the victim's family some peace of mind.
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It wasn't that long ago that our country dealt with rapists and kidnappers in that fashion. Except that the time for appeal may have been a year or less.

It turns out that in those days the people put to death for murder, rape and/or kidnapping had a recidivism rate of zero. Isn't that amazing?
 
Connecting rape to sexuality is the worst sort of Puritan nonsense.
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what would rape be without the sex? i guess it would be just battery. so why didn't the rapist just beat the bejesus out of someone? there must be something more to it, something SEXUAL.

rape is rape because of the sex. you cannot have rape without sex.

i agree that rape is a crime of violence. a crime of violence involving sex. you cannot seperate sex from rape, or it is no longer rape.

just being a 'horny' male does not make a rapist. just being a violent male does not make a rapist. some sick twisted combination of violent 'horny' makes a rapist.
 
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