Bin Laden wants to negotiate !!!
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Gender roles still exist in many areas. I'm from the south so I know full well that gender roles are a strong tradition that continue to this day. I have no problem with a woman deciding to stay home and raise a family but she should always have the choice as much as any man.
Again, why can't the fathers take on that role?
The lack of equal pay is the fault of the businessmen who refuse to acknowledge that women are just as good as they are.
Again, why are women expected to have children? Why can't a woman go through life without giving birth and instead doing what she loves to do?
No, when everyone is of the same class they all become first class. If "everyone" is a second class citizen then no one is first class. If no one's in first, we all get bumped up from coach. Unfortunately on airlines there isn't enough room to bump the whole cabin.
I'll make a note to look for that book.
I'm not following.
I don't see how believing in "self" is in any way wrong. One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.
fisherman66
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I didn't say they were the same thing. I said they were close kin.
How does Socialism/Nazism relate to this topic? Never mind, I don't want to know.
I understand exactly what you are saying. You have been raised in the socialist society that the liberals made. You have been educated as to what to think in their view and not from any other view. For instance religion.
Your post indicate that you are not religous and that means nothing to me so don't take offense. Osama is religous to the extreme. Now your teachers have taught you the evils of religion and use Osama and others to back their point. Did they also teach you about the millions the socialist have murdered in an effort to wipe out religion in Russia and China?
Have they showed you the statistics of abortions and how many millions of babies have been murdered in the SELF INTERST called "choice?". No I think not nor will you ever get both sides from the liberal point of view.
You do have some hope though in that you have taken up the gun. The act of self defense is foreign to liberals as it isn't state sponsered
You are the sinner in the socialist world and maybe change is headed your way. Thoughtful change NAAAAAHHH your right no need for change LOL Osama will be a martyr for the Muslim nation when he dies, a man who died for his beliefs or because of them. What people live and die for tells you about the person. What are you living and dieing for yourself, a cause, to shop at walmart, to abort babies (who knows the one you paid for may have been able to cure cancer) what is it?
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Uh no. I was raised by a military man and highly educated roman catholic woman. They taught me good values but never forced opinions on me and allowed me to make my own choices. My core beliefs are that people should be free to do what makes them happy as long as it doesn't directly affect someone else.
Wrong again, no teacher has ever taught me that religion is evil. By the time 9/11 happened I was already out of high school and in college not a single professor used his actions to claim religions are evil (then again I wasn't taking philosophy courses). You're assuming too much about how I was raised from my opinions.
You talk of the millions that have been murdered to wipe out religion but you ignore the millions that have been murdered in the name of those very same religions.
Sorry but you're wrong again. I've known many liberals against abortion but the conservatives only have their religious ideals to argue with. Either way the fact that I don't agree with the practice does not mean I'm going to impose my views on others.
Wrong again. If the act of self defense is foreign to liberals then why has nearly everyone I studied martial arts with over the past decade help typically liberal ideals? Once again you're generalizing. You're overreaching with your definition of the word "liberal".
You keep bringing up socialism too which is ridiculous. An economic system has no direct bearing on gun rights. You can have socialism and gun ownership, they are NOT mutually exclusive. Historically they have been in most cases but there is nothing in the concept of socialism that prevents gun ownership. You're lumping people into the wrong categories and just using the group labels that you find most convenient regardless of the accuracy.
What people live and die for can tell you something about that person but not everything. What I live and die for is my own business but the friend I used as an example is a moot point. That child never would have cured cancer because both mother and child would've died before the third trimester. Had it not been a medical necessity I would've done my damndest to talk her out of it but considering her situation at the time I know that I still would've done what I did despite my reservations. I had another very similar situation where I ended up doing what I didn't want to because I felt it was the right things to do.
The point is that I live for what I believe is right. That may not jive with what you feel is right but in all honesty my actions do not affect you. Who I decide to marry has no impact on you. What I decide to drink or smoke has no impact on you. Where I decide to work has no impact on you and who I decide to hire has no impact on you. Thus the actions in my life that you find detestable are not my problem.
I could care less about your life as you don't care about mine You have stated you do as you please and I don't have a problem with people who have a self centered existance. They mean nothing to the world and bring happiness to none but themselves. You or I will have no impact on this world so your opinion or mine means nothing.You live in the world you build and that is the satisfaction I get from it. You got the last word
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Well since it is about opinion, how do you discriminate what or who is better? Who is the better person, the soldier who is willing to fight and die for you against Osama (serving others) or the guy that sits at home serving himself?
Devotion to friends and family, is that for self gratification and reward for self or for them? You see your father (you said) was in the military and served us (if he was in our military, who knows
) in any event he served others. Is he better than the guy who only wants to sit around and do a line of coke to get his day going?
Liberals are more self oriented and conservatives think more of service. That's my opinion, who is better is left up to what your beliefs are but you should be happy that someone is willing to fight Osama if you are not.
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how do you discriminate what or who is better? Who is the better person, the soldier who is willing to fight and die for you against Osama (serving others) or the guy that sits at home serving himself?Devotion to friends and family, is that for self gratification and reward for self or for them? You see your father (you said) was in the military and served us (if he was in our military, who knows
) in any event he served others. Is he better than the guy who only wants to sit around and do a line of coke to get his day going?Liberals are more self oriented and conservatives think more of service. That's my opinion, who is better is left up to what your beliefs are but you should be happy that someone is willing to fight Osama if you are not.
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What if that guy sitting at home is a brilliant physician saving the lives of hundreds of children each year? Or maybe he's a mechanic who treats his customers with respect and makes sure they don't get ripped off or drive unsaef vehicles? Maybe he's a computer tech that gives free advice and support to the older people at his company that would otherwise have to sit on hold to talk to some guy in New Delhi?
I don't see a soldier as a better person simply because he's willing to fight in a war. One deserves respect for that, no doubt, but not adoration and self-sacrifice should never be used as the sole elevator for one's character. Thus in the case of your question neither one can be labeled the better person with the information you've given. You could be comparing an honest, trustworthy mechanic against an alcoholic, wife beating soldier.
Both. That's what friends and family means to me. We all give and take willingly, we care and support for each other. Why do you believe it has to be one or the other?
Of course not. My father's military and LE service does not make him a better person. His character and integrity made him a good person but that's not to say that the guy doing coke isn't a good person. That coke "fiend" may get up on Sunday morning, do a few bumps, then spend the next 14 hours working on his and his neighbor's yards. The fact that he uses cocaine instead of coffee to wake up him doesn't make him a bad person; only his actions in regards to others can define that.
But simple descriptors like the ones you suggested can't be used to measure the quality of an individual. Again, there are many horrible people serving in the military. Public and/or government service does not make a good person.
Bull. Liberals are the ones demanding universal health care. That's self oriented? Please; I'm not a fan of many liberal ideals but conservatives are not saints and are just as greedy and self centered as any other group. You're trying to villify one group while hastily duct taping a halo to yours.
Conservatives do not think of "service" any more than liberals do. Or do you believe that people simple cannot be good without devotion to a higher power? Are only religious people good? Are only Christians good?
You have no idea what I am or am not willing to do.
Well you never put your life on the line in a real fight for what you believe so you can't identifie with what it takes. Or have you? guess as the questions go you will let us know. Those guys humping the mountians in Afganistan chaseing Osama are making a real sacrifice for us.You fail to understand the meaning of Sacrifice. Doing something with no risk for yourself isn't what I call service it is just being a decent person.
It takes character and integrity to serve, something a coke head lacks. You seem to forget that coke is against the law.
Sometime you should read what you post and see how others see you. "Liberals are demanding health care" you think that isn't a selfish interest? You think that all the "benefits" demanded by liberals isn't about self? You seem to think I paint with a wide brush when it comes to liberals but I compress over fifty years of living with them into a few words.
Osama is religous and follows as he sees fit to serve. He is respected by other Muslims and hated by some Muslims. You decide if you like him or not. Me I want him dead as he wants me.
Don't take this personal but alot of people every year say they are going to lose weight but the country is full of fat people
Saying and doing are two different animals and one of them takes alot of work. Some people are being so lazy they got to take coke to get going so I don't expect the average person is up to the sacrifices I am talking about. That's what makes our troops special.That is one of my problems
I expect more out of people. I don't get dissapointed with what people are as they are just doing what comes easy, which is human nature.. Don't work yourself into a lather here now as this is just my opinion.The values of Osama are what really matters though because Muslims seem to agree with him.
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I have. You seem to mistake military service with fighting for what you believe in. They often go hand in hand but are not mutually inclusive. There could be guys over there who don't give two flips about freedom but wanted to have their college education paid for or maybe they just wanted to shoot people without getting in trouble for it. Of course they would be the exception to the rule but the point is that just because someone is in the military does not mean he or she is a good person.
No I don't. I understand perfectly well what it means to sacrifice. Just because one risks his life for something does not make him a good person. Many bad people have risked their lives for what they believe in; the 9/11 hijackers put their lives on the line for what they believed in.
There are many people in the armed forced with neither integrity or good character. A uniform, nor the training that goes with it, does not make someone a good person.
You're wrong about coke heads lacking character and integrity. Carrying a concealed weapon in my state is against the law but would you, as a supporter of gun owner rights, look down on someone for breaking that law? Does breaking an unjust law make one a bad person? Maybe you don't know any good people that use drugs but I've known plenty in my life. From cops to firefighters to paramedics to doctors and nurses to people in the military and folks from all walks of life, many of them good people, some of them not. But neither a military uniform nor drug use can define someone as "good" or "bad".
No. Asking for universal health care is no more selfish than asking for the right to own a gun. In both cases there are selfish and unselfish reasons for it but none of it makes liberals more selfish than conservatives. You still want to paint your group as saints when they've done just as much as wrong as the other guys. I find both groups detestable because both want to control my life. Liberals think they have some right to tell me where my money should go and conservatives think they have some right to tell me what I can do with my own body and who I can spend my life with.
Thanks for debating with me.
This thread has gone way off topic and I apologize for that.I really don't blame you for the way you think as you have a liberal education. Your constant reply that always denigrates our service men and anyone who serves his fellow man brings me to that conclusion. You haven't been there to see the heroic people that serve you and your country against Osama and the rest so your opinion means little. Especially when you say bad things about our troops, your reply that not all troops are good men must be reasoned by looking into your own heart.
It's the leftist way though, Hollywood started the anti hero stuff and you just parrot it. Hollywood is the epitimy of what liberals are. They pretend to be something they are not and reward themselves with great honors for their ability to pretend. Liberals produce nothing and live off the hard work of others and you will find them the most in those types of work.
I don't agree with Osama because I like people but I can understand his motivations. He needs to be stopped. This is going no where so I shake the dust off my feet and move on.
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It's the leftist way though, Hollywood started the anti hero stuff and you just parrot it. Hollywood is the epitimy of what liberals are. They pretend to be something they are not and reward themselves with great honors for their ability to pretend. Liberals produce nothing and live off the hard work of others and you will find them the most in those types of work.
I don't agree with Osama because I like people but I can understand his motivations. He needs to be stopped. This is going no where so I shake the dust off my feet and move on.
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aw jeez
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No. You seem to have this fantasy in your head that everyone in uniform is a good and decent person. That people in the armed forces can do no wrong. I don't know if you've served but either way your view of the military is quite skewed if you can't fathom the idea that bad people can become soldiers too.
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No. You seem to have this fantasy in your head that everyone in uniform is a good and decent person. That people in the armed forces can do no wrong. I don't know if you've served but either way your view of the military is quite skewed if you can't fathom the idea that bad people can become soldiers too.
armd_rt_wingr
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That's a load of horse excrement.
Have you ever heard of the abolition of private ownership of guns established by the Osama in jackboots, Adolf Hitler? In 1935 Hitler took a huge number of guns away from German citizens so he would not be in danger of an insurrection while he was carrying out his evil plan. (BTW, 1935 Nazi Germany was Socialist.
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