Bin Laden wants to negotiate !!!

I see. With all due respect you might want to take a look at US actions in the middle east over the past half century and then decide if the US is completely innocent in this whole mess. But then maybe you have and made up your mind despite what history has told you.

Because they have stated they love to see American's on fire, with street's ablaze and our sense of security gone. The other answer is easy, they already have killed women, little kids, and men with joy.
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Care to post some of those statements? You know for a fact that they're smiling and joyful when they do these things?

He told us he was quite pleased with 911! That says it all
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Interesting. It amazes me how some can view the world in such black and white terms.
 
Many if not most computers are developed in S Asia.
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That was the work of Bill Gateson right?
we also have the highest rate per capita of uninsured.
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Can you produce a source to the number people in America that have no access to medical attention due to a lack of insurance. I had a girlfriend once who was on welfare and had no insurance. Her kids got braces and she got crowns and bridges. I had good insurance and had to get false teeth. Her son supposedly had asthma and was given a $1000 dolar nebulizer and was put on SSI at 3. My ex and I had to pay the deductible for our sons doctors and medical suppplies in excess of $5000 per year for a heart defect
Ussr beat us to space (but I'll give you the moon.)
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And how is the godless red menace doing with MIR these days
 
It's no mystery that the "truce" bin Laden offers is for 10 years. Mohammad made a ten year truce with Mecca. Which he broke two years later after gathering his strength, captured it and slaughtered everyone who wouldn't convert.

Lying in the cause of islam is considered a good work, and anything that harms or decieves the enemy (all non-muslims) is allowed. Mohammad is considered a "perfect" man without sin, so anything he did is permissable. And since he was a murderer, rapist, pedophile, slave-keeper, and robber, what is allowed is pretty awful.

We shouldn't have a 10 second truce.
 
Can you produce a source to the number people in America that have no access to medical attention due to a lack of insurance. I had a girlfriend once who was on welfare and had no insurance. Her kids got braces and she got crowns and bridges. I had good insurance and had to get false teeth. Her son supposedly had asthma and was given a $1000 dolar nebulizer and was put on SSI at 3. My ex and I had to pay the deductible for our sons doctors and medical suppplies in excess of $5000 per year for a heart defect
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http://www.kff.org/uninsured/upload...rowing-Need-Strained-Resources-Fact-Sheet.pdf

It sounds like you agree with me....the health care system is totally screwed up. Could it be the whole medicaid and SS thing??? Could be.

That was the work of Bill Gateson right?
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What do you mean? Can you be more specific?

And how is the godless red menace doing with MIR these days
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What's your point?
 
And short sightedness is also a failing of conservatives who care more about "where you came from and how you got there" than "where you're going and how you're going to get there".
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Conservatives believe in conserveing that which is good and change should be taken only as needed not as wanted just for change sake. Some of the changes you liberals have made have caused alot of grief and you know what I am talking about.

I never said that everything is America's fault but it's just as blindly ridiculous to think that nothing is America's fault.
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Yes America is doing some things wrong, and most of it is the liberals fault. The killing of millions of babies sends a message to the Muslim world that is unmistakeable.

You personaly might be a decent person but to follow a party that has done so much to hurt our standing in the world sure doesn't seem intelligent. Of course this isn't trying to be personal but how else do we discuss where we stand and why.

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Some of the changes you liberals have made have caused alot of grief and you know what I am talking about.
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Weren't you one of the ones that claimed no liberal can ever support the right to own guns? How on earth can I be a liberal? :rolleyes:

Though I do agree that liberals have caused a lot of grief, conservatives have just as much. Kettle, meet Pot.

Yes America is doing some things wrong, and most of it is the liberals fault.
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lol let's skirt responsibility and blame everything on the liberals

You personaly might be a decent person but to follow a party that has done so much to hurt our standing in the world sure doesn't seem intelligent. Of course this isn't trying to be personal but how else do we discuss where we stand and why.
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Hm...first of all I thought everyone here agreed that liberals and Democrats are not interchangable. Is Zel Miller a liberal (hell, I voted for the guy when he ran for Gov...wouldn't do it again though)?

I don't mind going personal :p But at least launch the zingers properly; I am no supporter of liberals or Democrats. If anything I'm libertarian though I've learned (from many of y'all, actually) how ineffective the actual party is. But lord knows I'd rather support them than the other two.

Back to the point at hand: thinking that the only reason Osama wants to kill Americans is because we have abortions and gay marriage is utterly ridiculous. I won't deny that it's part of it but you'd have to admit that capitalism and seperation of church and state, two things that this are core to this nation's success, are just as much a part of it.

Not to mention the whole US military presence in a place it most certainly doesn't belong. I guess people have forgotten that Osama got really pissed off when Kuwait went to Big Bush instead of him for protection against Iraq.
 
Because the whole point was that it's an Islamic belief that only holy warriors should defend the holy land? :confused: Why would he attack a land he was trying to protect?
 
Because thats what crazed hate filled mad men do.
Osama could use some anger managment classes. And I think someone should take that gun away from him, he's very unstable!
 
Back to the point at hand: thinking that the only reason Osama wants to kill Americans is because we have abortions and gay marriage is utterly ridiculous. I won't deny that it's part of it but you'd have to admit that capitalism and seperation of church and state, two things that this are core to this nation's success, are just as much a part of it.
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One of the things unique about growing old is that you have lived through history in the making. Having been political minded since my school days I saw what the big changes were and the effect of those changes. The question in life has always been (in all things said and done) "what's different here".

The escalation of hatred for America coincides with the liberization of America. The more we have followed those values that the liberals have pushed the worse our relations with those countries who are of religious base has become. Each and every change adds to that escalation of hatred.

Not one by itself but accumulation and with these changes America has gone down hill fast. Gone is the lifestyle that allowed you a real family life along with so many other parts of life that we couldn't conserve because of the socialist that have turned this country into something hated by the Muslims.

Negotiate with Bin Laden isn't going to happen and alot more are going to die.

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The more we have followed those values that the liberals have pushed the worse our relations with those countries who are of religious base has become.
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The more we followed conservative values, from gun ownership to capitalism to capital punishment, the worse our relations with countries who don't have a religious base has become.

No sense in skewing this into an argument about the values of all the different sides but my point remains that liberal values are not solely responsible for these problems. The other side of the fence being religious doesn't make it more appealing to extremists. The value systems of America and these extremists is not the only problem; the simple fact is that when two groups of people have a different idea on how the world was created there tend to be problems. Each group sees itself as the most important, the special ones because they understand the nature of the world but no one else does, the chosen or the saved, the people from which a messiah was brought forth, the people who believe its' their duty to spread what they believe to be true.

It's not just about values, it's about different gods. Whatever other motivations they may have - be it land, money, power, or just to be left alone - the core reason for these conflicts is simply that they believe in a different creator. It's that belief in the nature of the world that provides such a fierce loyalty to the supposed teachings of those creators.

This has been repeated throughout history for as long as we've recorded it. People have a tendancy to get along despite different beliefs but often the most vocal of the groups starts to pay more attention to the particularly violent sections of their respective religious texts and eventually it leads to people that want nothing to do with the argument being put in the middle.

There is no one group to blame for Al Queda's actions except Al Queda. As to their motivations one has to remember that they want to kill all of us. Every last one. Liberal or conservative, man or woman, straight or gay, black or muave, all of us. None of us are responsible for what happened but it's the decisions made by all sides of our own internal arguments that have led to these events. They want all of us the same degree of dead.
 
The escalation of hatred for America coincides with the liberization of America. The more we have followed those values that the liberals have pushed the worse our relations with those countries who are of religious base has become. Each and every change adds to that escalation of hatred.
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Would you be so kind as to provide some support for that arguement?

One of the things unique about growing old is that you have lived through history in the making.
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It's a shame when all that is ruined by senility. :p (just kidding; just kidding)
 
I think bin ladin is starting to feel the heat, or maybe were getting too close for comfort. We should make a strong stand and show that were not backing down now. YOU CANT RUN FOREVER YOU SOB:mad:
 
Redworm, do you have a problem with gun ownership?
Liberals live in theory land, while most good traditional Americans live in reality. This is why liberals think they can negotiate with a mad insane kill happy man like Osama. Liberals hate successful people, they would have us all pinned down under socialism. Liberals cannot loke at the middle east and Islam and see how bad they messed up thier own countries and lifes, like right now. Liberalism is a deep seated emotional disorder which has infected America. We are seeing how colleges push a hard liberal mind set on our young people. They become depressed inraged and emotionally upset all over theoretical thinking.
I'll repeat: Osama was very pleased with 911, and he just promised more death and destruction to America.
 
Liberals live in theory land, while most good traditional Americans live in reality. This is why liberals think they can negotiate with a mad insane kill happy man like Osama. Liberals hate successful people, they would have us all pinned down under socialism. Liberals cannot loke at the middle east and Islam and see how bad they messed up thier own countries and lifes, like right now. Liberalism is a deep seated emotional disorder which has infected America. We are seeing how colleges push a hard liberal mind set on our young people. They become depressed inraged and emotionally upset all over theoretical thinking.
I'll repeat: Osama was very pleased with 911, and he just promised more death and destruction to America.
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Wow, I've never seen so many generalizations in one short paragraph. Perhaps they just don't agree with a bunch of guys in DC arguing about what a woman can do with her body. (Less government? hmmm) I guess that's more of a libertarian idea, but that's not really a choice, is it?

BTW, I'd love to see Osama's head on a platter. Then Soloman Rushdie could slap it with his sandels. Just for the record.
 
Generalization or fact? I don't have time to write a book.
I think you may be also in a state of denial, this is commononly seen in folks infected with liberalism. No offense intended.
 
Redworm, do you have a problem with gun ownership?
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No, only with irresponsible gun use. I originally came to this forum because I was genuinely interested in gun ownership. :p I've learned a LOT in these few short months and I have many of y'all to thank for that. :)

Liberals live in theory land, while most good traditional Americans live in reality.
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How do you figure that? What makes a "traditional" American a good American? Remember that less than half a century ago it was "tradition" for women to stay out of college so they can work on finding a man to support them instead of living up to their own potential. It was also "traditional" to keep black kids and white kids in different schools.

Just because one's values are "traditional" does not mean they're moral.

This is why liberals think they can negotiate with a mad insane kill happy man like Osama.
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The man isn't insane. He's an incredibly intelligent, well educated, obviously quite charismatic individual. Just because he's doing something we don't agree with does not make him insane. Ah, he was instrumental in killing three thousand people. Well, our leaders have killed just as many via our military; does that make them insane? No, we excuse their actions because our own value systems allow it.

Liberals hate successful people, they would have us all pinned down under socialism.
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I disagree on both points. There are many successful liberals in the country, many successful liberals in politics, industry, entertainment, medicine, science, academia, etc etc.

Liberals cannot loke at the middle east and Islam and see how bad they messed up thier own countries and lifes, like right now.
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Again you're blaming liberals for all the problems in the world when the other side is just as responsible.

Liberalism is a deep seated emotional disorder which has infected America.
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One could argue the exact same thing of conservativism.

We are seeing how colleges push a hard liberal mind set on our young people. They become depressed inraged and emotionally upset all over theoretical thinking.
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Untrue; most of my college professors have been either neutral or in the case of the criminal justice professors they've been somewhat conservative. On the other hand even the professors I've had that are indeed liberals have rarely "pushed" their beliefs on others. Discussions on issues are inevitable because that's what college is all about but then again my sister is currently taking a "Philosophy of Religion" course taught by a very conservative bible thumper who quite clearly stated on the first day that he believes he can convert many of the students to christianity and plans on doing so.

I'll repeat: Osama was very pleased with 911, and he just promised more death and destruction to America.
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I understand that but you're skirting responsibility by placing the blame squarely on the shoulders of liberal views.

Do you honestly believe that if America was a solidly christian nation that Osama would've just left us alone? Do you honestly believe that conservative foreign policy had nothing at all to do with these conflicts? Do you really think Osama cares that you pray to someone but that I don't? No, he wants both of us dead.
 
I think you may be also in a state of denial, this is commononly seen in folks infected with liberalism. No offense intended.
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Pejorative? Hmmm, throw mud when you can't offer anything better. Ever thought about running for public office? You are qualified by today's standards.
 
Generalization or fact? I don't have time to write a book.
I think you may be also in a state of denial, this is commononly seen in folks infected with liberalism. No offense intended.
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dude, seriously :rolleyes:

Generalization. Not fact. Two very different things.

watch this: I think you may be also in a state of denial, this is commononly seen in folks infected with conservativism.

See how easily these statements can all be turned around when nothing is provided to actually back them up?
 
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