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In those cases, it was a handgun. If I had felt the situation warranted a long gun, it would likely have been an AR, AK, or MP5.

Nothing is written in stone, and every instance, is its own occasion. You have to decide based on the circumstances. In some (and probably most) instances, a handgun would be the appropriate choice, in others, a long gun. I dont see the big deal in having the option and alternate weapons available, and I do. Im not stuck in one rut.

In case you missed it, pretty much all along here, Ive agreed with you on the handgun being "usually", the best overall choice, especially since it can always be on you, and you dont have to go look for or get it.
 
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I hate to write this, but a .357 Mag with mag rounds is not a wise idea for home defense.
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100% agree with this.

I fired a single hot .357 round indoors 3 years ago and it wreaked havoc on my ears. Extreme sensitivity to noise for a month, and intense ringing for a few months which did diminish but I still have permanent ringing in my left year. A year ago on a camping trip my idiot buddy let off a 9mm round in the backseat of the car while I was in the front with all the windows up. All it resulted in was ringing for 24hrs and left me with no ill effects like the .357 did. After the damage from the .357 round my left ear is more sensitive and susceptible to being damaged again from loud noises, yet the 9mm round in such an enclosed space didn't even touch on the amount of damage my ear endured from the .357 round. This is in no way a scientific test, but life experience has showed me that the .357 round is an extremely punishing round to the ears, much more so than say 9mm or .45.

After posting my experience here with the .357 round damaging my ears I had two different members on here contact me desperately seeking help and advice on when the ringing will stop because they did the same thing. Both of those members only fired a single .357 round themselves and were left with intense ringing in their ears which never fully went away for either.
 
In case you missed it, pretty much all along here, Ive agreed with you on the handgun being "usually", the best overall choice, especially since it can always be on you, and you dont have to go look for or get it.
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Yet, when I responded to Bezoar, there you are disagreeing with me.

If you agree with me (handguns for primary, long gun if you want), then why do you obscure that agreement by arguing against every response I make to someone else?
 
100% agree with this.

I fired a single hot .357 round indoors 3 years ago and it wreaked havoc on my ears. Extreme sensitivity to noise for a month, and intense ringing for a few months which did diminish but I still have permanent ringing in my left year. A year ago on a camping trip my idiot buddy let off a 9mm round in the backseat of the car while I was in the front with all the windows up. All it resulted in was ringing for 24hrs and left me with no ill effects like the .357 did. After the damage from the .357 round my left ear is more sensitive and susceptible to being damaged again from loud noises, yet the 9mm round in such an enclosed space didn't even touch on the amount of damage my ear endured from the .357 round. This is in no way a scientific test, but life experience has showed me that the .357 round is an extremely punishing round to the ears, much more so than say 9mm or .45.

After posting my experience here with the .357 round damaging my ears I had two different members on here contact me desperately seeking help and advice on when the ringing will stop because they did the same thing. Both of those members only fired a single .357 round themselves and were left with intense ringing in their ears which never fully went away for either.
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This might be so but when the proverbial mental image of fecal material strikes the atmospheric aeration device, I want the most powerful handgun I can have if I MUST use a handgun for defense work. That my friend is a .357 magnum loaded with 125 grain JHP loads. Can you say 98% one shot stop rating? Besides this, individuals typically experience what's known as the "audio exclusion phenomenon" when in a life threatening situation. This effectively "mutes" loud sounds. This is often observed when someone says "I didn't even hear the gun go off", and I believe if I ever need to take a shot with my magnum that this will put me in such a situation that this effect is likely to occur. I can understand getting hearing loss from a .357 magnum indoors when not under extreme stress, because it is a total surprise to the brain.
 
One shot stop ratings were discredited 20 years ago.

The most powerful and lethal handgun is rounds are .454, .460, .50. Not .357.

.50 AE too much gun? So is .357 indoors. It isn't hearing loss that's the issue - its not being able to fire effectively more than once.
 
Yet, when I responded to Bezoar, there you are disagreeing with me.
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OH MY TODD! There I go...... :rolleyes:

Besides this, individuals typically experience what's known as the "audio exclusion phenomenon" when in a life threatening situation. This effectively "mutes" loud sounds. This is often observed when someone says "I didn't even hear the gun go off", and I believe if I ever need to take a shot with my magnum that this will put me in such a situation that this effect is likely to occur. I can understand getting hearing loss from a .357 magnum indoors when not under extreme stress, because it is a total surprise to the brain.
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While Ive heard of "audio exclusion phenomenon", I have never seen anything "official" backing it up, and stating that your hearing is protected due to it. Got any links to something that backs it up?

I do know that, ready or not, stress or not, a 357 indoors, will probably finish off what a lifetime of exposure to sharp, loud, and repetitive noise, has done to my hearing while unprotected.


So is .357 indoors. It isn't hearing loss that's the issue - its not being able to fire effectively more than once.
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Are you saying that you cant shoot the 357mag effectively more than once, or are you referring to the 50AE?
 
Both. Playing down the muzzle blast problems of magnums based on a half baked theory is ridiculous. Especially when the underlying reason is living up to Marshall-Sanow "statistics".
 
Model12Win said:
This might be so but when the proverbial mental image of fecal material strikes the atmospheric aeration device, I want the most powerful handgun I can have if I MUST use a handgun for defense work. That my friend is a .357 magnum loaded with 125 grain JHP loads. Can you say 98% one shot stop rating?
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Ugh, not this again. The .357 magnum is not a magic bullet, the 98% one shot rating by Marshall and Sanow is outdated and baloney. The difference between a 125gr .357 and a 124gr 9mm is about 200fps. If you think 200fps is the difference between saving your butt or not, then go for it, I personally do not.

Model12Win said:
Besides this, individuals typically experience what's known as the "audio exclusion phenomenon" when in a life threatening situation. This effectively "mutes" loud sounds. This is often observed when someone says "I didn't even hear the gun go off", and I believe if I ever need to take a shot with my magnum that this will put me in such a situation that this effect is likely to occur. I can understand getting hearing loss from a .357 magnum indoors when not under extreme stress, because it is a total surprise to the brain.
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Auditory exclusion does absolutely nothing to protect your ears, it is entirely psychological. Just because your brain did not register or you do not remember hearing the shot, does NOT mean the concussive blast and the pressure waves from the round going off does not do damage to your ears.

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While Ive heard of "audio exclusion phenomenon", I have never seen anything "official" backing it up, and stating that your hearing is protected due to it. Got any links to something that backs it up?
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Auditory exclusion is a real thing, but as I mentioned before it does absolutely nothing to protect your hearing. This was confirmed to me by one of the top ENT's (Ear, Nose, Throat) specialists in the Boston area.
 
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RX-79G Unless you don't want to wake up your kids, give away your position, etc, etc.
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I find it funny that you only feel that "real world situations":rolleyes: are only the ones that you bring up.

So your kids are asleep in bed and you hear a noise but you don't want to take your AR for fear that someone might see it. So you take your pistol so you can hide it in your robe so you don't offend someone in your house at midnight?

At least this is what I've gotten from the summation of your posts.

Not the best idea to be sweeping the house with your gun in a pocket wouldn't you say?
 
I want the most powerful handgun I can have if I MUST use a handgun for defense work. That my friend is a .357 magnum loaded with 125 grain JHP loads. Can you say 98% one shot stop rating?
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1. .357 is not even close to the most powerful handgun you can have. If that is truly your criteria, you need to look for a .454 or a .50.

2. If you are still using one stop shot ratings as your end all be all, i'd recommend you do some more research.
 
I find it funny that you only feel that "real world situations" are only the ones that you bring up.
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Not at all. You can make a list of scenarios and some will work with long arms, some won't. Inside a home, very few will require a long arm. Nearly every one will work with a handgun.

For instance, muzzle control is easier with a handgun in confined spaces.

Handguns exist despite all the things that they fail to do as well as long guns. Being able to maneuver and conceal them easily is incredibly useful - especially when you aren't in a war zone and have to appear civilized.

You appear to be miffed that I can easily point out the limitations of a large gun in a house in a neighborhood. Generally, when people attach the poster, it isn't because he isn't making sense.
 
1. .357 is not even close to the most powerful handgun you can have. If that is truly your criteria, you need to look for a .454 or a .50.
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Never once did I say the .357 magnum was the "most powerful handgun you can have."

Ugh, not this again. The .357 magnum is not a magic bullet, the 98% one shot rating by Marshall and Sanow is outdated and baloney. The difference between a 125gr .357 and a 124gr 9mm is about 200fps. If you think 200fps is the difference between saving your butt or not, then go for it, I personally do not.
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The Double Tap 125 grain .357 magnum SJHPs I load in my Ruger GP100 w/ 6" bbl produce approximately 1750 FPS at the muzzle for 850 ft-lbs muzzle energy.

Comparing watered down weak .357 "magnum" ammo to 9mm isn't even fair. In truth the .357 magnum is capable of MUCH higher velocities and energy levels to ANY 9mm handgun when using full-power ammo in BOTH guns.
 
You appear to be miffed that I can easily point out the limitations of a large gun in a house in a neighborhood. Generally, when people attach the poster, it isn't because he isn't making sense.
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Nope not miffed at all. I don't see any limitations at all. You seem to be keen on insinuating that when things go bump in the night that people sweep their homes with a gun in the pocket (that's not real world sir). If something happens and I feel the need that a gun needs to be involved, I'm not worried about false alarms seeing my AR or SG. And if I do take my pistol instead it certainly isn't in my pocket so either way someone is gonna see a firearm pointing at them.

So again what's the difference between a drunk person stumbling in your house accidentally and seeing a sub compact 9 pointed at them or a 12 gauge?

And you make it sound like an AR is hard to manipulate inside a home. It really isn't. By all means if it is for you then use what your comfortable with but that doesn't make the AR platform a bad choice for HD. It's actually a great platform for cqb
 
You must be very thin, since you can't conceal a handgun behind your body while holding it in your hand.
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that's why I like a rifle for hd. So I can hide behind it while the burglar is ransacking my underwear drawer.
 
Just trying to stay on par with your idea that hiding the gun behind your back while sweeping the house in the middle of the night is somehow good tactics:rolleyes:
 
Then tell us how it is bad tactics.

You hear something that might be innocent, but you want to check. If it is innocent you don't want to scare either the awake person or the ones currently asleep...
 
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