They are going to be here whether they have driver licenses or not.
Not really. If we enforce employer sanctions against hiring illegals then they (illegals) will go home on their own. Already happening in some states.
They are going to be here whether they have driver licenses or not.
Once again, you fail to understand the differences between some contracts and other contracts, just as you fail to understand the differences between different types of taxes.So you don't think illegals should be able to enter into any contracts, or just driver licenses?
For example, if an illegal gets sick and goes to the hospital, he has to sign a form that says he promises to pay his bill (of course he probably won't pay, but he has to sign a contract saying he will). Do you think that should be illegal also?
Um ... no one said otherwise. So your point is ...?They are going to be here whether they have driver licenses or not. I have never heard of an illegal saying "shoot, I am going back to Mexico because I can't get a driver license".
If you believe that minimal fees and basic knowledge outweigh the legally enforceable rights they will gain, plus the fact that a driver license is a gateway document to other documents and services, then there's not much more you and I can discuss. Clearly, the benefits to the illegals far outweigh the benefits of minimal fees and basic knowledge; otherwise, the illegals wouldn't want a license as much as they do, given that it will cost them money for fees, money for insurance, and time/effort in passing the tests. Unless, of course, you believe the illegals, who are generally earning abysmal wages, are parting with their meager wages out of pure civic mindedness.If you make them get driver licenses, then they have to pay fees to help maintain the system, and they have to show at least a basic knowledge of how to drive.
Apparently, you don't understand the difference between a tax and a fee. The two are not the same. When you pay your property taxes, do you sign an agreement as to your obligations under the contract? Are there corresponding obligations on your municipality towards you? I've never seen such a contract, and I've paid property taxes since 1989. However, if I go to the local state park, I have to pay for entry and parking. That's a fee, not a tax. In return for my payment, I get a ticket that states my responsibilities while in the park - such as keeping my dog on a leash - and generally the state's responsibilities while in the park - usually phrased in the negative, such as "not responsible for items stolen from your vehicle" or something like "the park closes at sunset."By that logic, property tax is not really a tax either. It is a contract between my and the state. Once I satisfy my part of the contract, to include fee payment, then I can the right of being able to live in my home.
Why do you want to enable illegals in staying here and taking even greater advantage of our society?
As has already been stated several times, it makes it easier for them because they would gain 1) a property right that is legally enforceable against the state that will inhibit booting them out, and 2) it will give them legal access to other documents and services, which will further inhibit booting them out.I don't think driver licenses make it easier for them to stay here. They are already here. No one is making them leave. So how does not having a driver license make it harder for them to stay? Giving them a DL does not enable them. They are already enabled!
Yep, the illegals and those who oppose them - in short, everyone on both sides - is ignorant. Except for you.Not stupid, just ignorant.
Again, you make another false assumption. You assume the situation is static, which goes further to betray the illogic of your position, because your desire to allow licenses shows that the situation isn't static. You further compound your illogic with yet another false assumption that any sort of change can go only one way: to allowing licenses for illegals and not toward booting them out.You talk about driver licenses making it harder for them to get booted out. But no one is making a serious effort to boot them out anyway, whether they have a license or not. It can't get much easier for them to stay than it already is. So your argument is moot.