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BGutzman:

I believe that there is the "reset" button you mentioned.

Seems however, regarding the retention rates amongst our congress critters, that the electorate is most reticent concerning use of same, I often wonder as to why this is.
 
We the voters have taken governmental disfunction to a whole new level.
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We, the voting populace, have. We get the government we deserve. Things didn't get this way through the machinations of some insidious secret cabal. They got this way because the public let them, through apathy and indifference.

Part of the reason this whole story hasn't blown up in the media is that the same media can count on that indifference and placate us with tales of what Snooky did when she was drunk last weekend.

Don't believe me? Next time you're at the range and someone brings this whole situation up in conversation, ask them if they've contacted their congressman about it. I guarantee they haven't. We make the mistake of assuming that, because our cause is somewhat political in nature, that we're more involved than the rest of the populace. Sadly, I've not found that to be true.
 
Part of the reason this whole story hasn't blown up in the media is that the same media can count on that indifference and placate us with tales of what Snooky did when she was drunk last weekend.
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So, you're saying the media is controlled? Who, or what entity, controls it?
 
Nobody said that. The liberal slant to the news reported by the generally leftist members of the press tend to give a pass to the leftists in power, as demonstrated by the lack of reporting on Dear Leader stating he is not bound by the laws he signs just yesterday, not just the general lack of interest in Fast And Furious plus all the lethal off shoot programs coming to light.
They control themselves, and do so to protect those they love.
 
You're saying they are controlled by their ideology?
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Yes, IMO, that's about it. "All the news that fits...". WaPo is twisting itself into highly complex shapes trying to promote the meme Obama's ideas are "evolving" in a rightward slant, while "conservatives" whose ideas "evolve" always move left. Those who don't evolve are Neanderthals, at best.
 
Tom Servo:

Respecting your last, I did that ay my local gun club a number of years ago, phrasing the question as follows:

On any issue, no matter witch side of the thing you happen to be on, when was the last time you contacted either n appointed or elected official re your concern.

As you might expect, I got a lot of blank looks and then there were a couple of comments running along the following line or lines, I don't know who they are, or I can't write or I don't have time ad so forth and so on.

To say that it gets discouraging is something of an understatement, but one does what one thinks necessary and or worth while.
 
You're saying they are controlled by their ideology?
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Lose the fascination with the buzzword "control", and rather say they are motivated by their ideology and beliefs, much the same as we are by ours. I believe, and believe in the evidence supporting that belief, that they are wrong, and that they are actively are supporting an agenda that advances the destruction of the Constitution of the United States of America, and the representative democracy it defines.
 
I am not sure what the deal is with the DOJ e-mail system but having worked for large corporations, I know that the mail boxes get backed up every night to tape, and there are rotations of tapes, some are kept for 30 to 60 days, some tapes are kept for 6 months. Some are archived longer... financial institutions for instance are required to keep e-mail records involving transactions for 7 years. There is usually a system called "legal hold" for making sure e-mails wih critical legal information don't get deleted.

I don't know how long DOJ keeps backups of their e-mail system - maybe they don't keep e-mails backups more than 30 days, but Issa could subpeona the IT department head/director for the electronic documents.

I think it would be interesting first of all to see how far in the past they have the mailboxes backed up, and to see the reaction of Holder to the request.
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There is a federal records law that covers the retaining of all government records. There are various times for different types of information, but I think the minimum is three years, some things are much longer. Emails do count as government records.
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To say that it gets discouraging is something of an understatement, but one does what one thinks necessary and or worth while.
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It would be easier if the aforementioned folks wouldn't insist on riding our coattails and blaming us when things don't go the way they want them to.

Example? Let's presume that most folks who are angry at the current state of affairs identify as Republicans. Republican turnout in the 2008 election was 28%. That means that roughly three quarters of the people who've yelled at me about how unhappy they are with the current situation couldn't even take the time to vote. When they find out I'm active, they ask why I haven't done more for them. Yeesh.
 
I skipped "republic"? Heavens. That's even in my version of the Pledge.
I pledge allegiance, to the Constitution of the United States of American, and to the Republic which it defines, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

My bad. ;)
 
All politics aside which is where this thread is nose diving:
Don't believe me? Next time you're at the range and someone brings this whole situation up in conversation, ask them if they've contacted their congressman about it. I guarantee they haven't.
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I don't need to my dude is leading the charge and already signed on to request resignation. Not all in congress are created equal.
 
My point is that the politicial situation is the symptom, the voters are the root cause of the political cancer.
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Should we say "voters" or "citizens?" The reason I ask is so many citizens don't vote.

That point of quibblement aside, you've hit the nail squarely on the head, BGutzman. We have met the enemy, and he is us.
 
All politics aside which is where this thread is nose diving
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I assure you that wasn't my intention. In fact, BGutzman made the point far more succinctly.

Yes, we should be angry about this. The problem is, for the majority, the anger ends at the keyboard, or at the dinner table, and it only spurs action among a minority.
 
BGutzman wrote:

Lets see what kind of Citizen/Agent body count the DOJ/ATF run up in the new year......

That might prove a most interesting number to kerep track of.
 
The first FBI agent of the year is dead. He was killed while picking up his father's cancer medication at the pharmacy. While there the pharmacy was robbed and he tried to stop it. Still want to keep track?
 
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