ATF Project Gunrunner

“both due to the nature of our relationship and, you know, the fact that we’re both African-American.”
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LOL, so now he is complaining about being a punching bag for the President on the Cabinet the he is supposed to represent? The martyrdom complex is almost scary. Reminds of William Jennings Bryan where they become such fervent believers in their own nonsense they will ignore all other reality than their own.

His belief that he is being victimized does not change the fact that his policy victimized hundreds.

The Houston Chronicle...
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Yeah, you can stop right there. They are a mouthpiece for the democratic party and that is about it. Half there articles are full of homonyms [pun]. You see spell checker works but if they don't know what the words mean....
 
This is a way to get at the president because of the way I can be identified with him, both due to the nature of our relationship and, you know, the fact that we’re both African-American.
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"Nature of the relationship?" Like being the Attorney General of the United States? Or maybe it's due to the fact that he's so incompetent he can't keep rogue elements like Breuer in line, can't orchestrate a decent coverup, and doesn't have the political acumen to throw anyone under the bus, even if it means saving his own lying skin.

Or maybe it's just that wretched walrus mustache.
 
Steel Talon provided the following:
Eric Holder Claims Racism

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Unfricking believable..

Eric Holder Claims Racism Responsible for Fast and Furious Criticism


Quote:
The Weekly Standard.. The Blog comments..
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/...sm_613596.html
But Mr. Holder contended that many of his other critics — not only elected Republicans but also a broader universe of conservative commentators and bloggers — were instead playing “Washington gotcha” games, portraying them as frequently “conflating things, conveniently leaving some stuff out, construing things to make it seem not quite what it was” to paint him and other department figures in the worst possible light.

Of that group of critics, Mr. Holder said he believed that a few — the “more extreme segment” — were motivated by animus against Mr. Obama and that he served as a stand-in for him. “This is a way to get at the president because of the way I can be identified with him,” he said, “both due to the nature of our relationship and, you know, the fact that we’re both African-American.”

The Times Article…Sited
A Partisan Lightning Rod Is Undeterred
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/18/us...ldiers-on.html

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This reader wonders as to whom it might be that is guilty of racism? You have as many guesses as might be necessary, though I suspect that one would prove sufficient. Do thse basketball players really stick together?
 
Eric Holder Claims Racism Responsible for Fast and Furious Criticism
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Its just the lefts way of silencing the crowd because NOBODY wants to be labeled a racist. The race card will take some of the heat off Holder, for a short while, I hope. Hopefully this is one monkey he can't get off his back
 
Having now played his race card, does he have to turn it in?
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It goes back to the bottom of the deck where he will be dealing it again shortly.


“conflating things, conveniently leaving some stuff out, construing things to make it seem not quite what it was”.....
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It's like Deja vu all over again.

:rolleyes:
 
I never thought I'd live to see the day when the race card finally lost it's steam but I think that day is almost here.
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Sorry, C0untZer0, if I seem to quibble, but the race card lost its value a long time ago. When you see it played today, you can be sure the player is somewhere near the far end of desperate.

We really do judge people by the content of their character rather than the color of their skin.
 
I will be calling Issa and Grassley's offices tomorrow to encourage them to finally say it like it is.

"Mr. Holder, this has nothing to do with your race. It has to do with the fact that you are the head of a United States government agency which perpetrated an act of war against a foreign sovereign state, the Republic of Mexico; and you, Sir, are the responsible party unless you can point us to who that party is. Do I make myself clear?"

Ah, perchance to dream ...
 
Sorry, C0untZer0, if I seem to quibble, but the race card lost its value a long time ago. When you see it played today, you can be sure the player is somewhere near the far end of desperate.
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The race card is used to soothe or stoke a narrowing niche of those faithful to racism as an excuse for themselves, and a plea for support. Blind support, of the kind NAACP now provides.

Holder can't argue the law. He can't argue the facts. What else is left?

The pressure is beginning to tell, I agree. And for the US AG to accuse non-supporters of racism...I guess he knows it's alive and well in some hearts, anyway.
 
The Form 4473 is one of the fruits of the 1968 Gun Control Act and has been a part of federal law since then. In fact, up until 1986, you were not only required to fill out a Form 4473 for firearms; but for purchases of handgun ammo as well.
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A 4473 has never been required for handgun ammunition.

A separate log book was used and a drivers license was normally all that was required to check age and residence.

And reloading components could not be shipped, they had to be sold face to face.
 
Re the AG's comments on "racism" I decided to send my thoughts to the gentleman, yes the term "gentleman" is loosely used, so I wrote out a reasonably polite, brief note and emailed it to a linked address found on DOJ’s web site.

First time I sent it, it came back undelivered. Second time I sent it, same results.

So this is the "open. transparent government" that the president speaks of, what a laugh, or could it be that people at DOJ are so incompetent that they couldn't create a web site that provides the citizen with a correct email address? Either way, whichever of the two possibilities fit, the picture presented is indeed a sad one.
 
^^^They may be getting more feedback than they can stand. On the other hand, they determine what law will be enforced on who, so why would they care what the proles think.
 
They aren't using gmail.com with a large storage capacity... someone oughta send 'em a gmail invite so they can get all the mail they so desperately would love not to lose due to all the overwhelming emails of support from their friends.

Brent
 
In an article about former Director Melson's July 4th testimony, Richard Serrano at the LA Times is up to his old tricks, spreading the propaganda:

Under the program, devised to help agents follow weapons from gun stores to Mexican cartel leaders, about 2,000 firearms were lost.
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And cleverly devised it was! Reviewing Agent Dodson's testimony...

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The plan was: follow the straw purchasers no matter which way the guns go, and inform no one in Mexico that the guns are on the way. That way, agents can follow the guns from stores to Mexican cartel leaders!

Wait, that won't work, will it?

Maybe no one in government is smart enough to realize that it won't work. Or the plan was devised for some other purpose.

I'm hoping it's the latter, I guess. I'm not sure whether "stupid as a box of rocks" is better than "lying" or not. Anyone?
 
I am not sure what the deal is with the DOJ e-mail system but having worked for large corporations, I know that the mail boxes get backed up every night to tape, and there are rotations of tapes, some are kept for 30 to 60 days, some tapes are kept for 6 months. Some are archived longer... financial institutions for instance are required to keep e-mail records involving transactions for 7 years. There is usually a system called "legal hold" for making sure e-mails wih critical legal information don't get deleted.

I don't know how long DOJ keeps backups of their e-mail system - maybe they don't keep e-mails backups more than 30 days, but Issa could subpeona the IT department head/director for the electronic documents.

I think it would be interesting first of all to see how far in the past they have the mailboxes backed up, and to see the reaction of Holder to the request.
 
publius42: Thanks for that heads up.

My letter to the Editor of the L.A. Times:

Mr. Serrano states in the article: " Under the program, devised to help agents follow weapons from gun stores to Mexican cartel leaders, about 2,000 firearms were lost."

This is patently false. The weapons were not "lost." From the sworn testimony of Agent Dodson:

"... we tracked movements of these individuals for a short time after their purchases, but nothing more. Knowing all the while, just days after these purchases, the guns we saw these individuals buy would begin turning up at crime scenes in the United States and Mexico, we still did nothing."

Does that sound like the firearms were "lost?"
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All those guns from Operation Fast and Furious were not "lost", they were distributed as intended, I submit, going into the hands of criminals.

The remaining question or questions revolve around why the above referenced intentions. In my perhaps jaundiced view "why" is explained as follows. To provide political cover to a very significant push for additional, draconian gun legislation, which would essentially amount to ever more restrictions on the law abiding. There seems no other point to the entire fiasco.
 
Kingpin law?

I was half asleep,half listening to the radio.Lets call this a lead,a maybe,rather than fact for now.
The man I was listening to was J.P Stienbauer,and a site PJ Media was mentioned.
Mr Steinbauer said he was in on writing a law called the Kingpin Act,which outlaws having dealings with drug cartels,Sorry I can;t be more specific.The Kingpin law requires some waiver or license from the Treasury Dept for a deal like Gunrunner to occur.This would be in Timothy Geigner's territory.Mr Steinbauer said there are serious prison terms and huge fines for violating this law.
Then Mr Steinbauer explained that if this waiver was granted,it would prove the claims of "no prior knowledge" were a lie.

This seems like it could besome traction for the good guys.

Maybe you folks with a better knowledge of law could check it out
 
Pretty unfunny how we have all the nanny laws, and yet the administration (in my opinion) seems to have no problem with outright murder of US Agents and citizens...

I think the whole system is in need of a "Reset Button"... We the voters have taken governmental disfunction to a whole new level....
 
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