ATF Project Gunrunner

WOW!!! That is lookin' like Issa just grabbed Holder by the short hairs sho-nuff!!!

So much for those all black "redacted" pages sent for "review" before...:D

SQUIRM WEASEL... SQUIRM!!!

Brent
 
That is one mountain of paperwork! Yet it is one very specific mountain.

Reading between the lines here: Issa is looking for specific corroboration of documents he already has. If this is the case, then somebodies goose is cooked.

Can you hear it?

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Jamie Dupree of the Atlanta Journal-Constitution has parsed the subpoena and listed the specific demands made of the Attorney General's office
I've followed Mr. Dupree for years, and I had the pleasure of meeting him once. The guy knows his stuff. I can't remember him ever making a political prediction that didn't come true, and if he's pushing this, it has legs.

Al, that picture has a real Team America vibe going...
 
I doubt it would matter if you had a hand written letter from the President admiting that he knew every detail and authorized everything. The senate will never impeach him, no matter what.

On the other hand my holder may be looking at a new (to him) type of federal vacation.. I dont believe for one minute he didnt know the details...
 
I don't think there's a snowball's chance in Hades that DOJ is going to fully comply with the subpoena. They'll claim it will endanger ongoing criminal cases and investigations and endanger national security. DOJ will say they are complying but then won't. They'll try to turn it into an attack on Issa, et al.
 
DOJ will say they are complying but then won't. They'll try to turn it into an attack on Issa, et al.
That's already happened. At this point, I don't know how much more weaseling (if that's not a real word, I'm claiming it) they can do.

At some point, the Oval Office is going to have to do something.
 
Al Norris has it right. After some obligatory denials, obfuscations, recalcitrant disclosures, etc., the next sound will be BUMP-BUMP of the New Flyer wheels rolling over our hapless Eric Holder.

After which he'll get a partnership at Patton Boggs, or some other flagship law firm, a few postings to boards of directors of major corporations, maybe a post on MSNBC after a decent interval, and he'll die a very rich man.

Well, God promised us His justice wasn't for this world. Say a prayer for him.
 
I happen to have a congressman, Paul Gosard (R) who serves on the Governmental oversite committee. I wrote him a letter expressing my concern over the direction of the Fast and Furious investigation.

Following is his response:




October 12, 2011









Dear LTC Gray,



Thank you for contacting me about Operation Fast and Furious, a failed operation within the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF). I appreciate hearing from you on this grave issue, and I share your concerns.



To help combat firearms trafficking into Mexico, ATF initiated Project Gunrunner as a pilot project in Laredo, Texas, in 2005 and expanded it as a national initiative in 2006. Project Gunrunner is also part of the Department of Justice's broader Southwest Border Initiative, which seeks to reduce cross-border drug and firearms trafficking. However, officials in the ATF Phoenix Field Office and likely their supervisors employed the tactic now known as Operation Fast and Furious. The operation permitted the exchange and transportation of firearms into Mexico and into the hands of felons and drug cartels. It is because of the lack of proper government oversight that this operation allowed these criminals to possess firearms which were ultimately used to take the life of a Border Patrol agent, and the brother of a Mexican law enforcement official. It is tragic that a government bureau tasked with protecting Americans and supervising gun smuggling allowed this operation to continue without alerting the proper authorities and signaling the risks that would be involved. Even more chilling, Congressional investigation has found that thousands of guns ushered into the hands of these criminals are still out there. It is likely that that they will be found at crime scenes for years to come.



It is important to clarify that ATF never sold a gun in the course of this investigation, but instead supervised the operations of gun dealers that did sell guns. The real problem is that dealers repeatedly approached ATF agents about some obvious "straw purchases" occurring in their stores. "Straw purchases" refer to those made by one individual with the intent to transfer purchased items to another individual—in this case, someone who is banned from purchasing firearms because of a criminal record or immigration status. Here again, ATF showed malfeasance by falsely assuring these dealers that the process—surveillance, questioning, and subsequent arrests—was being followed. The evidence shows that in some cases, ATF would follow the purchased weapons for a short time, but then end surveillance well before the weapons reached the border, which left thousands of unaccounted weapons in the hands of criminals and drug cartels in both Mexico and the southern portion of our great State of Arizona.



As a member of the Committee on Oversight and Government Reform Subcommittee on National Security, Homeland Defense, and Foreign Operations, I have been in a unique position to question the Obama Administration's Department of Justice (DOJ) on what they knew, how much they knew, and when they knew it. There have been multiple hearings by the committee on this subject to date, and I have been actively pursuing the answer to the tough questions. At the hearings, we heard testimony from law enforcement that they were compelled to participate in an operation which they knew in their hearts was likely to result in the unnecessary loss of life. We also heard from a grieving family who lost one of their own in the prime of his life and in the defense of his country which he loved. Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry chose to serve his country as a border agent along the American-Mexican border, knowing full well the risks and dangers associated with his job. It is therefore unfortunate that an operation the federal government monitored and oversaw ultimately cost Agent Terry his life on December 14, 2010.



Logic leads us to believe that ATF Director Melson could not have acted alone—not without the advice and consent of someone at the DOJ. I am therefore asking Attorney General (AG) Holder, Deputy Attorney General Weich, and all DOJ officials involved to stop burying their head in the sand, comply with the subpoena from Congress, and work with us to craft a better policy for the future. With the volatile situation on the southern border, we cannot afford the continued path of avoidance, denial, and non-compliance with the law. I feel that it is unconscionable that the federal government is, on one hand, completely neglecting its responsibility to protect our Southwest border, and on the other hand, making the problem worse with dangerously ill-advised law enforcement tactics.



Furthermore, there is a conflict of interest in the investigation at the DOJ: the Acting Inspector General (IG) at DOJ, Cynthia Schnedar, has been assigned to investigate AG Holder. This is an obvious conflict of interest in as much as Schnedar is an Obama political appointee. Political appointees should never be tasked to investigate other political appointees. This is evidenced by the fact that the IG issued two reports in late 2009 and early 2010 that suggested the change in ATF strategy that led to Fast and Furious, meaning that she is implicit in the beginning of this program. She also, in multiple instances, disregarded the concerns of the whistleblower in this case, John Dodson. Proper oversight and common sense can help prevent these grave mistakes in the future, and the Obama Administration must comply with Congress' subpoena. It starts with a truly impartial investigator, not someone intent to sweep things under the rug.



I plan to continue to pound away at these agencies until justice is served. Feel free to visit www.gosar.house.gov to see clips of the hearings and keep checking back for progress in the investigation. You can also sign up for my e-newsletter at the website. Again, I appreciate your thoughts and concerns. It is an honor to serve as your United States Congressman. Your suggestions are always welcome, and if ever I may be of assistance, please do not hesitate to contact me.






Sincerely,



Paul A. Gosar, D.D.S.
Member of Congress



I am not sure this investigation is going to the level it needs to go.
 
I didn't know that Mr. Dupree is following this. That's great news. We quoted him as gospel in the Poli-Sci department at GSU.

And can I just say that being a pre-law, that this forum has better written briefs and what could only be called dispositions that I've seen most professors write.

Great work guys!
 
The plot thickens!

Based on what we've seen so far, I think KyJim has hit the nail on the head:
KyJim said:
I don't think there's a snowball's chance in Hades that DOJ is going to fully comply with the subpoena. They'll claim it will endanger ongoing criminal cases and investigations and endanger national security. DOJ will say they are complying but then won't. They'll try to turn it into an attack on Issa, et al.
And that attack on Issa, & Congress, will include something to the effect of, "if we had proper gun control, the ATF wouldn't have had to do this."
 
I can't begin to understand why Holder would write a response to Congress making denials before he had even seen the subpoena. Surely he of all people understands the value of not making statements you don't have to make. Interesting to see how that plays out for him.

And that attack on Issa, & Congress, will include something to the effect of, "if we had proper gun control, the ATF wouldn't have had to do this."

"If there were more laws prohibiting the sale of guns to prohibited persons, ATF would not have had to circumvent numerous laws prohibiting the sale of guns in order to arm Mexican cartels!"

Its a succinct PR statement; but I don't know that it is a good one for DOJ. I feel comfortable I can offer a reasonable alternative to that argument :)
 
Bart, I feel entirely confident that you can offer a reasonable alternative to my proposed statement. However, it's pretty close to what Holder said in his recent letter to Issa and other members of Congress.
 
I think I've just been gob-smacked!

Yesterday, not only did the Huffington Post run a story on Fast and Furious, but the story was written by Prof. Adam Winkler!

The Prof. makes this bold statement:

No effort was made to keep track of the guns or intercept them before they fell into the wrong hands.

Something we haven't seen in print, from a major source. Perhaps the single most damning declaration was this:

Yet the memos appear to contradict Holder's explanation. A memo to Holder from Michael Walter, the Director of the National Drug Intelligence Center dated July 5, 2010, clearly states that "Operation Fast and the Furious" involved a "firearms trafficking ring... responsible for the purchase of 1,500 firearms that were then supplied to the Mexican drug trafficking cartels." The memo doesn't say the guns were sold to couriers, but "supplied" to the cartels.

Not sold. Supplied! This is a must read article, as Prof. Winkler implies that Melson told the committee, back in that "secret" July 4th interview, about a bonafide "smoking gun" memo that the DOJ was trying to hide.

As if this wasn't enough, the "S" word was used by the Washington Post, that ran a very brief AP article:

Washington Post: House committee issues subpoena to Justice Department in guns-to-Mexico scandal

With the WaPo article, above, it's now officially a scandal.
 
That was an entertaining read, Al. I enjoyed reading the HuffPo commenters calling Winkler "Issa Jr." as a derogative.

Spats, I guess I was just puzzling aloud at why Holder would want to go with that argument since it strikes me as weak. Then again the Issa hit-piece in the WaPo looked weak at first too, though once Holder came out with the same play it made more sense. I guess I just am not trained to think like a Washington power broker.
 
Bart, it's to be expected that the HuffPo folks have no clue as to who the Prof. is... That or they are still ticked that he turned against them in the RKBA issue.

I subscribe that it's door number one.
 
After hours of browsing the different so called news articles, it amazes me the number of people commenting on how innocent Holder is, and how the "chosen one" couldn't do anything even remotely illegal??
For some of the most absolutely ridiculous statements, take a few minutes to read the comments people are saying about this story on he different articles.
MANY PEOPLE are self blinded to the facts and refuse to believe it is anything but a political stunt.
Where do these people come from???:mad:
 
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