ATF Project Gunrunner

Nothing, if no one cares. That seems to be the situation.
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I'm not so sure. The whole Fast & Furious thing is getting some traction in the media, albeit not as much as I'd like.

However, the Attorney General flaunting the will of Congress? That's drama, and that tends to lead well on the evening news.
 
Know what spelled Nixon's undoing? He still had a wee bit of shame and integrity in him and he nominated an AG who he knew would appoint a special prosecutor.
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No. There were some Republicans willing to do what was right. Nixon was told (supposedly Gen. Al Haig was the messenger) that the jig was up and he was going to be convicted following impeachment.
 
Mr. Holder is sticking to the party's talking points:

Holder said:
Even in the face of an unprecedented flow of guns across the border, too many in Congress still oppose every effort to reform our gun laws in ways that would make the United States and our Mexican neighbors safer.
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I wonder how many guns this "unprecedented flow" really amounts to after you subtract the ones provided through the BATFE's various gun-walking programs. You have to wonder if a supposedly intelligent man really thinks people are going to believe this drivel ... but then you watch some of the man-on-the-street interviews on any evening newscast, and you realize that, yes, they WILL believe him.
 
Holder is a piece of work...

All the clichés. He gives new meaning to the terms hubris, audacity and unmitigated gall.

I was thinking that we’d have a hard time getting to the truth of the real motive behind F&F. I thought that after being discovered in this misdeed the administration would retreat, attempt to cover it up and abandon the failed idea of trying to sneak guns into the hands of Mexican drug gangs to sway public opinion that tougher gun laws were needed.

Holder has some nerve! Damn the torpedoes! Full speed ahead and call for stricter gun laws anyway!

While we don’t yet have the smoking gun that proves the goal of F&F was to manipulate public opinion in order to build support for stricter gun laws, Holder’s statements now make it clear for anyone who can connect the dots. Will the tactic fool some people – yes.
 
Issa has now shot back at Holder and it ain't pretty. The text of Issa's letter can be read HERE.

In the meantime, back at the ranch, the "Bush did it too" crowd is just getting heated up. They believe that Wide Receiver is as bad as F&F but Wide Receiver was recognized as the failure it was and retired. The current administration -- in their belief that all things that don't work are because they were not in charge at the time -- has pressed on with a program that makes Wide Receiver look like a successful program.
 
What an intense read that was. The gloves have most definitely come off.
This should get very interesting much quicker than I thought it would.
 
Tom Servo said:
The whole Fast & Furious thing is getting some traction in the media, albeit not as much as I'd like.

However, the Attorney General flaunting the will of Congress? That's drama, and that tends to lead well on the evening news.
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Eventually, perhaps, but it has been going on for quite some time. A post back in July by BR comes to mind...

Bartholomew Roberts said:
Whatever else you can say about DOJ, they aren't trying to tread lightly on this. At the rate they are going, I'm surprised Holder hadn't dropped his pants and relieved himself on the Judiciary committee just to make his point more clearly.
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definitely, it's Bush's fault he did it first..,
...another scheme called Project Gunrunner, which was started under the Bush administration, Holder claimed.
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“To be sure, during 2010 I knew generally that ATF was conducting gun trafficking operations along the Southwest Border and elsewhere in the country since that is a core part of its mission given the large number of firearms flowing to Mexico each year from the United States,” he wrote.

He said he knew of some of those schemes, but not Fast and Furious.
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I woke up this morning and immediately felt anger over Holder's statements

what a two-faceed hypocrite! To denounce Rep. Paul Gosar:

“Such irresponsible and inflammatory rhetoric must be repudiated in the strongest possible terms,” said Holder. “Those who serve in the ranks of law enforcement are our Nation’s heroes and deserve our Nation’s thanks, not the disrespect that is being heaped on them by those who seek political advantage. "
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Holder was not thinking of the anyone in the ranks of law enforcement when F&F was going on... the BATFE agents working it were having trouble sleeping at night - living in fear that one of these weapons would eventually be used to kill a U.S. agent. The BATFE agents were sounding the alarm that exactly that scenario would happen if they were continually prevented from interdicting these weapons. Holder wasn't thinking of the nation's law enforcement officers, he was only thinking of the operation as a way to pump up statistics and add credibility to an effort to enact stricter gun control.

Also, Gosar didn't aim his comments at the BATFE field agents working the operation or any other law enforcement officers - his comments are aimed at the high level government politicos who conceived of it, so Holder's comments are not applicable. His comments are just a diversion, a red herring. But they are so two-faced that I find it infuriating.
 
My two favorite parts of Issa's letter:

The facts simply do not support any claim that Fast and Furious did not reach the highest levels of the Justice Department. Actually, Fast and Furious did reach the ultimate authority in the Department – you.
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Operation Fast and Furious was the Department's most significant gun trafficking case. It related to two of your major initiatives – destroying the Mexican cartels and reducing gun violence on both sides of the border. On your watch, it went spectacularly wrong. Whether you realize yet or not, you own Fast and Furious. It is your responsibility.
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So much misdirection.

It still hasn't come to light who thought this operation up. If BATFE confiscates so much as a .38 spl from some low-level mafioso and it results in him doing prison time- you better beleive that everyone knows who deserves credit for thinking the operation up, but this thing that is so gigantically huge that it entailed the movement of thousands of weapons - no one's quite sure who originally came up with the idea... hmmmm

No one is sure who authorized it ... hmmm

Holder's memo war with Issa is just misdirection. While Holder is taking all the heat right now, people are no longer thinking about how far it reached into the White House. Not that it will last, I don't think there is anything Holder can do now that would stop the investigation from proceeding to the next higher level.

And hopefully somewhere in this process someone will be able to uncover that an administration used an entire agency of the federal government against the American people, and that something will be done about it to ensure that this government cannot, in the future, commit crimes against it's own citizens.
 
They believe that Wide Receiver is as bad as F&F but Wide Receiver was recognized as the failure it was and retired.
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If they want to make Wide Receiver an issue (and it should be), that's fine. However, it doesn't in any way excuse Fast & Furious.

If anything, it makes it worse, since they were already aware of the dangers inherent in the approach. Fast & Furious is Holder's problem, through and through.
 
The biggest problem with comparing WR to F&F is that WR tried to place constraints on the firearms such as visual and electronic surveillance. When those measures failed, due to crafty smuggling tactics, the program was terminated.

Seeing this failure, the ATF decided that it would be a better tactic to simply let the firearms walk with no surveillance techniques in place at all. What a great idea that has turned out to be.
 
Originally Posted by Holder
Even in the face of an unprecedented flow of guns across the border, too many in Congress still oppose every effort to reform our gun laws in ways that would make the United States and our Mexican neighbors safer.
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Seems to me this is an admission of the real goal Holder sought. Why would he even bring it up if the goal were to find and arrest capos and enforcers with F+F guns?

Too clever, again, by half...like his boss and "under the radar".
 
When the wash is finally hung out to dry, I think you will find Mr. Holder will have higher company on that line. Anyone remember Watergate?
 
The spin is in, they put Holder in to break the terror plot story today, trying to make the uninformed look at him as a hero:mad:!
 
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