ATF Project Gunrunner

MANY PEOPLE are self blinded to the facts and refuse to believe it is anything but a political stunt.
Where do these people come from???
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There are none so blind as those who will not see.

It's taken me a long, long time to see it actually is exactly that simple. I thought for years it was ideology and/or slow-wittedness and/or illogic and/or prejudice. I've come to believe none of those descriptors are wrong, but at the heart of the matter, Homo sapiens chooses what to see and not see, believe and not believe. We make choices.

Some choices are completely disconnected from reality.
 
I notice a decidedly different tone in the mainstream press post-subpoena. Neither Navarette nor Winkler are big supporters of the Republicans; but both seem to be willing to set aside partisanship and want to see this investigated.
 
Sources say Hurley is the one who let Kingery go, saying grenade parts are "novelty items" and the case "lacked jury appeal."
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WHAT! OK, maybe inert parts are novelty items, but if you have the means and intent to make them live I think it is a different story. If it is not then I think I should be able to use grenades and claymores for home defense.
 
Given the seemingly spurious investigations (I'm thinking of Gibson Guitars here) that the Justice Department has embarked on, going after a guy for "novelty" grenade parts doesn't seem terribly out of character.
 
going after a guy for "novelty" grenade parts doesn't seem terribly out of character.
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Exactly! They knew he was making them into live grenades and supplying the cartels and they did nothing but order him released. What planet are these people from?
 
OK,

So, the President of the United States knew about a DOJ / BATFE operation called Fast and Furious, before the head of the DOJ knew about it, from listening to the news, but he knew that the AG didn't know about it. He found out that the AG didn't know about it - not by asking the Attorney General, but instead found out that the AG didn't know about Operation Fast and Furious in such a way that the AG still remained ignorant of Operation Fast and Furious, and then the president subsequently never thought to inform the AG about it?

I was born at night but I wasn't born just last night...
 
So, the President of the United States knew about a DOJ / BATFE operation called Fast and Furious, before the head of the DOJ knew about it, from listening to the news, but he knew that the AG didn't know about it. He found out that the AG didn't know about it - not by asking the Attorney General, but instead found out that the AG didn't know about Operation Fast and Furious in such a way that the AG still remained ignorant of Operation Fast and Furious, and then the president subsequently never thought to inform the AG about it?
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But wait, it gets better... Not only did he know that Holder didn't know without Holder knowing about Fast & Furious, someone at DOJ managed to start an IG investigation of Fast & Furious without Holder, led by a long-time friend and subordinate of Holder's without Holder knowing as well.

Pretty clearly, Holder's statement to Congress was incorrect. The Presidential comment probably won't cause him much grief since "a few weeks ago" from May 3, and the President's comment in March is really not a major time difference. Sloppy; but not huge. However, the original DOJ stonewall of Congress back in January was that DOJ's IG was conducting its own investigation and that they couldn't jeapordize that investigation. That one is going to be tougher to explain.

Which makes it all the more puzzling to me that Holder gave a statement he didn't have to give. It seems he is having trouble with consistency already, why keep talking? Surely he has seen the ending to this film before?
 
The Presidential comment probably won't cause him much grief since "a few weeks ago" from May 3, and the President's comment in March is really not a major time difference. Sloppy; but not huge. However, the original DOJ stonewall of Congress back in January was that DOJ's IG was conducting its own investigation and that they couldn't jeapordize that investigation. That one is going to be tougher to explain.
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That is a first class observation that a lot of us have overlooked --- like not seeing the forest for the trees.

Say what you will about Janet Reno, at least she stood up and took responsibility for ordering the feds to storm the Branch Davidian compound at Waco.
 
Say what you will about Janet Reno, at least she stood up and took responsibility for ordering the feds to storm the Branch Davidian compound at Waco.
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I've always wondered about the phrase "full responsibility". What exactly does it mean, if the person taking "responsibility" never gets prison time, receives the death penalty, or suffers financially from it. Good sounding, meaningless weasel words?:confused:
 
In that context, "I take full responsibility" means "I know you can't touch me, so don't bother going after my serfs."

In the context of being spoken by an underling, it means, "I'm being paid well to be the fall guy so you won't take down my boss."
 
In that context, "I take full responsibility" means "I know you can't touch me, so don't bother going after my serfs."

In the context of being spoken by an underling, it means, "I'm being paid well to be the fall guy so you won't take down my boss."
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Well said, Aquila Blanca!! That sums it up nicely.
 
Old news, Secret Agent Man.

Difference is, the Bush administration programs were cancelled when they were found to be ineffective.
 
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