ATF Project Gunrunner

Didn't the Russians just recently build a new AK factory in South America? I'm certain I remember reading that. These Mexican Cartels don't need to come up here and buy semi auto weapons, this is our leaders selling us out to the nwo trying shenanigans so they can push for more gun control. Traitors to America, and yet people are not mad.

The North American Union and the Amero will be coming soon, so the Mexican border will cease to exist as we know it. Will you get mad then? I tell ya, I'm so mad that I think I'm going to write a letter!:(
 
Edward429451 asked:

" Didn't the Russians just recently build a new AK factory in South America? "

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As memory serves, yes they did and it's in Venezuela, where Mr. Chavez rules.
 
Now it has been exposed that the project was funded by stimulus money !! That will make it a little easier to track just who knew about it !
 
A congressional exchange, in the future, direct from my crystal ball to your eyes:


Issa: Mr President, I would now draw your attention to page 16 of the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009, which states:

For an additional amount for "State and Local Law Enforcement Assistance", $40,000,000, for competitive grants to provide assistance and equipment to local law enforcement along the Southern border and in High-Intensity Drug Trafficking Areas to combat criminal narcotics activity stemming from the Southern border, of which $10,000,000 shall be transferred to "Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, Salaries and Expenses" for the ATF Project Gunrunner.
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Issa: Mr. President, if you had no prior knowledge of Project Gunrunner, how then did this verbiage get into your stimulus package?
 
When is someone going to ask Hillary what she thinks of all this mucking around in foreign affairs?

Update on the ATF gunwalking to Honduras out of Tampa

At one point the case was ready to be wrapped up with arrests and remain relatively efficient but O'Brien and McCampbell decided on their own to keep it going to "get more" against the advise of thier field employees and the walked guns numbers got out of control.

OB is terrified that her intentional concealing of her walked guns is going to do her in since she disregarded orders to report to DOJ and Congress.

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There is so much happening with Gunwalker now that it is tough to keep track of it all - thanks to everyone who helps keep me informed via this thread. In the "Who knew what and when?" category, it seems that Issa and Grassley have released this email from October 2009 discussing the border strategy.

From the memo, it isn't clear exactly what was covered; but Gunrunner is specifically mentioned as is the Arizona OCDETF strike force coordinated by the AUSA. It also makes clear that similar operations are taking place in other U.S. cities - which of course makes me wonder if Ken Melson and others at the top of the food chain were OK with weapons walking in Phoenix; what was going in Houston, San Diego, etc.?

The email also lists the following people as being involved:

SAIC Phoenix William Newell (the original author)
David W. Ogden (Office of the Deputt Attorney General)
Lanny Breuer (DOJ CRM)
Kenneth Melson (ATF)
William J. Hoover and Michele Leonhart (DEA)
Robert S. Mueller, III (Director of FBI)
Dennis Burke (U.S. Attorney - AZ)
Every U.S. Attorney in a district bordering Mexico.
Chair of the Attorney General's Advisory Committee
Director Executive Office US Attorneys
Director OCDETF
Director U.S. Marshal Service
Director of Bureau of Federal Prisons

The email includes the redacted cartel strategy memo outlining what was being discussed. Based on that it appears that the 2006 Project Gunwalker was on the list for discussing how this could be expanded to help target Mexican cartels as a topic of discussion. While I wouldn't say this implicates any of the people involved in knowing about the actual guns being walked (although several of the people on the list clearly did know this from other documents), it does add further evidence that AG Holder's claims of ignorance strain credulity. How is it that the Chair of your Advisory Committee is briefed on something at a hearing that involves almost all the major executives of your Department; but you've never heard of it until Judiciary Committee hearings on it began?
 
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I just love how "main stream" is silent on this right now. This should be splashed all over the front page of every news paper, and TV all day long.
 
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I thought the biggest news of the day was that the Washington Post has finally printed what the government did, or at least a significant part of it.
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Talk about alternate universe reporting... here are the main points I learned from the Washington Post coverage:

1. Melson testified to Congress with his own personal lawyer rather than ATF and DOJ lawyers and admitted his agency "made mistakes."

2. Anonymous sources (the same ones that claimed Issa was briefed on Fast and Furious?) claim that Melson testified that Holder had no knowledge of Fast and Furious and that it would be unusual for any DoJ officials in Washington to know the details.

3. The same anonymous sources say U.S. Attoney's Office in Phoenix was the one overseeing the program. (Attention Dennis Burke! DOJ Bus Service is now ready to board you. Please lie down in front of the vehicle and standby for further instruction. Whatever you do, don't show up before the Judiciary Committee with your own counsel).

4. Assistant AG Ronald Weich stated that the two Republicans unfairly criticized DOJ for not cooperating when they have released over 6,000 documents (no comment on the fact that some of those "released" documents were black pages from being entirely redacted of course)

5. The DOJ Inspector General is on the case and the important thing is that the investigation be allowed to run its course before we jump to any conclusions - even Melson's attorney agrees!.

6. Melson said DOJ's handling of the controversy has been "problematic."

In short, the WaPo got right to the meat of the story; which is that the heroic Justice Department is doing its best to comply with the ridiculous demands of Congressional oversight while simultaneously investigating the occasional mistakes of its lower-level, not-in-Washington, really-we-hardly-even-know-that-guy, minions.

How sad is it that ABC News Reporter and former Handgun Control, Inc. employee, Jake Tapper has been pushing the White House harder on this than the paper behind Watergate? I've got to give Mr. Tapper credit, he is one of the few supporters of gun control who isn't willing to turn a blind eye to this scandal because it was perpetrated by supposed allies.
 
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The WaPo managed to avoid mentioning Weich's earlier comments on this scandal. You know, when he said the gunwalking never happened.

The Washington Post is usually pretty sharp when a political opponent is caught in a lie, but no mention of the serious blemish on Weich's credibility in this matter.

It must be pretty humiliating for the paper that employed Woodward and Bernstein to have to stand by in "Sargeant Shulz" mode from Hogan's Heroes as those bloggers from the Examiner take up the reins. :p
 
Using Recovery Act stimulus funding, there's gotta be at least one or two shovel ready jobs jokes in here somewhere.
 
[It must be pretty humiliating for the paper that employed Woodward and Bernstein to have to stand by in "Sargeant Shulz" mode from Hogan's Heroes as those bloggers from the Examiner take up the reins.
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I don't think so. By way of example, take a look at the op-ed from Yale anthropology professor McGovern about the lady who brought down the Frenchie from IMF in NYC.

Her engagement in tax fraud, lying to police, prostitution and probable drug dealing should be overlooked, he thinks, because she is from Guinea and doesn't know any better...

In the "context" of Guinea, this stuff happens all the time so really she be forgiven these crimes and released without penalty. The message is that any act is permissable as long as the "context" is correct.

The WaPo, NYT and similar news organizations have a "context" they like with Obama, and about any act, regardless of legality or morality, is acceptable. Fascist and communist tyrannies share this mode of thought in justifying repression of those out of favor.

The Nurmeberg Principle provides no excuse for some types of criminality based on context or whose orders were being followed. Such high-mindedness is out of favor with the modern savants in government, some of the media and academia.

http://www.city-journal.org/2011/eon0707hm.html
 
Obama and Holder didn't know about the operation? But it was in the stimulus package?

I guess we had to pass it so they could find out what was in it.
 
Project Gunrunner has been in operation since 2006. It is well known; but the Gunrunner name just refers to a broad overall program to interdict gun trafficking to Mexico. Fast and Furious aka Gunwalker is part of the Gunrunner program; but they are not the same thing. Some of the Gunrunner projects may have been perfectly legit, though it appears the Phoenix and Tampa projects were not.

So while Holder probably knows about Gunrunner, it doesn't prove he knows about the details of Fast and Furious or the latest story about the Tampa office walking and losing guns to Central America.
 
Agreed. It doesn't prove he knew of Fast and Furious, but it does beg the question of incompetence. How does the chief attorney for the U.S. not know the operational details of an operation given 10 million dollars specifically by his boss's legislation? I'd sure want to know if I was going to be held accountable for it.
 
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Holder swore an oath of office to protect America, internal/external
He has failed both intentionaly,,,?
Project Gunrunner has been in operation since 2006. It is well known; but the Gunrunner name just refers to a broad overall program to interdict gun trafficking to Mexico. Fast and Furious aka Gunwalker is part of the Gunrunner program; but they are not the same thing. Some of the Gunrunner projects may have been perfectly legit, though it appears the Phoenix and Tampa projects were not.

So while Holder probably knows about Gunrunner, it doesn't prove he knows about the details of Fast and Furious or the latest story about the Tampa office walking and losing guns to Central America.

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Read the entire thread, and have 30+ pages booked', looks like a couple more days of reading/viewing.
This kind of thing could've been stopped years ago but since then we've thrown the Constitution (most-of-it) in the trash. Sad.
 
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