ATF Project Gunrunner

I have always had a problem with executive privilege, unless it is used in clear cut matters of national security. Other than that, to me, it is just a way to cover up getting caught with your hand in the cookie jar.

I think this will end up being something like Irangate. The whole truth did not come out tell after president Regan passed away. If it had happened at the time he might well have been impeached.

Now if Holder would have taken a page from the Oliver North book and fell on his sword the whole thing would probably have died out by now.
 
Meanwhile, another gun from the operation has shown up at a shootout in Puerto Penasco.

The Bureau gave a typical non-apology.

ATF has accepted responsibility for the mistakes made in the Fast and Furious investigation and at the attorney general's direction we have taken appropriate and decisive action to ensure that these errors will not be repeated. And we acknowledge that, regrettably, firearms related to the Fast and Furious investigation will likely continue to be recovered at future crime scenes.
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And of course, nobody in the chain of command has been so much as reprimanded.
 
At the risk of repeating myself, the ongoing shenanigans, the stone walling and obfuscation of/by the Obama administration, it's ATF and DOJ constitute a giant ZITZ in the face of what passes for the system of justice, as it exists in this country. Of course, I fully expect a continuation of the above mentioned, I would be terribly surprised to see anything else.

As to the following, posted by Tom Servo: "ATF has accepted responsibility for the mistakes made in the Fast and Furious investigation and at the attorney general's direction we have taken appropriate and decisive action to ensure that these errors will not be repeated. And we acknowledge that, regrettably, firearms related to the Fast and Furious investigation will likely continue to be recovered at future crime scenes,", recently JP Morgan-Chase, in one of their "settlements" with federal regulators actually admitted wrongdoing, if I understood published reports correctly. Interestingly, nobody there is being punished either, certainly no responsible parties, though possibly some oh so convenient, low level sacrificial lambs might one day be found.
 
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thallub wrote:

"Yep, it's sad that the US congress refused to rein in the BATFE. "

Being just a retired Draftsman, I might not know much. That being said, "sad" doesn't begin to adequately describe the situation. Oh by the way, given the weak-kneed attitude of Congress, I suspect that the situation can reasonably be expected to get worse.

BTW, re the Garland case, mentioned in another post, exactly how did the firearms he sold to traffickers, with the knowledge and consent of the BATFE ever come to be "mislabeled" as machine guns? I also wonder as to exactly what the judge might have had to say to the referenced but unnamed "federal prosecutors"
 
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Fast and Furious just heated up again. Bigtime.

We now have actual court documents from a US court that the US DEA was allowing drugs into the US from one particular Cartel in exchange for ongoing information on the rest. The "friendly" Cartel?

Sinaloa.

http://www.businessinsider.com/the-us-government-and-the-sinaloa-cartel-2014-1

DEA agents are now talking about this alliance in court filings.

This is the same gang that the vast majority of the F&F guns went to. While the court docs don't seem to mention (yet) a parallel cooperation between ATF and the Sinaloa on the guns, the fact that the DEA was in bed with them raises the odds that there was absolutely no intention of a "sting" ever - the whole point was to have the guns "walk" to a criminal gang we had been treating as an ally from at least 2000-2012.
 
Whoa. No wonder this has been dragging - if true, past and present AG and Administrations are guilty of aiding and abetting, BIG trials. Nobody in government wants something this big to blow open - they will have to build a whole new federal prison to house all the convicted felons to come out of it.
 
Re the latest, if you think that there have been or are cover-ups of government shenanigans ongoing, did you ever come across the following admonition: "You ain't see nuttin yet honey".
 
if true, past and present AG and Administrations are guilty of aiding and abetting, BIG trials. Nobody in government wants something this big to blow open - they will have to build a whole new federal prison to house all the convicted felons to come out of it.
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Nah!

Like the Ollie North fiasco, there will be a low level fall guy.
 
Yes, we knew the Sinaloa were "favored sons" of some sort for years.

We now have proof from actual DEA agents doing court filings, AND we know that the alliance extended from cash to drugs to guns - the entire gamut of cartel activity short of kidnapping and murder, and we'll likely find out about those soon enough.

I'm ready to take the next jump and tie this to the NSA spookery. If the USofA is doing all their heinous crap in regards Mexico and God only knows where else, are they likely to use the NSA to both further the criminal conspiracies and use the snooping abilities to close in on anybody ready to blow the whistle?

At what point do we use terms like "intolerable"?
 
Anyone want to bet, either for or against the possibility of additional Obama Executive Orders, more gun control, for after all, isn't a crime to let a "crisis" go to waste.

Think that any of the possible executive orders will be aimed at punishing guilty parties in the Obama Administration, or checking their antics? I know it's a silly question, just couldn't resist asking.
 
The CIA angle is very interesting, and dovetails quite nicely within what we already knew about F&F. It also helps explain why certain of the congressional leadership has been foot-dragging with respect to the F&F investigation.
 
csmsss wrote:

"The CIA angle is very interesting, and dovetails quite nicely within what we already knew about F&F. It also helps explain why certain of the congressional leadership has been foot-dragging with respect to the F&F investigation."

You are an evil minded individual.
 
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