ATF Project Gunrunner

Hopefully one issue that can get resolved prior to the election is to force DOJ to produce a privilege log showing what documents are being withheld.
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Is there a method, beyond contempt charges, that can be used to force DOJ's hand?
 
I'm a long time follower of TFL but a first time poster. I have followed this thread as well as David Cadrea's "Journalist's Guide to Project Gunrunner" from the beginning. I haven't seen any updates of Cadrea's since May 5....has he possibly been asked to back off or am I just missing something.

Also, Did anyone catch Jason Chaffetz interview on Gretta Van Susterens' show where he admitted they have more whistleblower evidence they have not released yet and they are not going to back down?
 
For a guy who successfully prosecuted two democrat congressmen for corruption, why Holder would continue to stonewall F&F is kind of puzzling. :confused:
 
It's not all that puzzling...

This time, it's his butt on the line. Even the most zealous prosecutor generally draws the line at sending himself to jail.
 
Is there a method, beyond contempt charges, that can be used to force DOJ's hand?
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I can't think of a better one than the contempt charges. Typically in a lawsuit you have to provide a privilege log to claim privilege. It is just a question of when that happens.
 
Bartholomew Roberts quoted and wrote as follows:
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Is there a method, beyond contempt charges, that can be used to force DOJ's hand?
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I can't think of a better one than the contempt charges. Typically in a lawsuit you have to provide a privilege log to claim privilege. It is just a question of when that happens.

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I'm NOT an attorney, nor am I trained/educated in the law. That having been said, and regarding "a better one than contempt charges", what of the following: accessory to murder. I suspect that it would be a long shot, but it might prove attention getting.
 
How about the sheriff of Santa Cruz County, or the State of Arizona?
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In the discretion of the DOJ, they could remove it to federal court and "prosecute" it which means dismiss it. That's how they handled it in the wake of Ruby Ridge.

In 1997, the District Attorney for Boundary County, Idaho charged Horiuchi with involuntary manslaughter, but the indictment was removed to federal jurisdiction based on the Supremacy Clause and eventually dismissed at the federal prosecutor's request.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Randy_Weaver#Aftermath_of_the_Ruby_Ridge_incident
 
KyJim, the prosecution of Horiuchi was permitted to proceed. The en banc decision of the 9th Circuit in Idaho v. Horiuchi,98-30149, decided and published on June 5, 2001 was:

In keeping with the constitutional allocation of powers between the federal government and the states, federal agents enjoy immunity from state criminal prosecution. That immunity has limits. When an agent acts in an objectively unreasonable manner, those limits are exceeded, and a state may bring a criminal prosecution.

After carefully reviewing the record, we cannot agree with the district court that Agent Horiuchi's use of deadly force against Harris and, by extension, Mrs. Weaver, was objectively reasonable as a matter of law. Accordingly, Agent Horiuchi is not entitled to dismissal on the ground of Supremacy Clause immunity at this stage in the proceeding. On remand, the district court may conduct an evidentiary hearing to determine whether the evidence supports Agent Horiuchi's entitlement to immunity under the legal principles applicable to the use of deadly force. We therefore REVERSE and REMAND with directions that the district court reinstate the criminal complaint and information and for further proceedings consistent with this opinion.
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The above conclusion was written by Judge Alex Kozinski, the highlights are mine.

What stopped any further action was the dismissal of the case by the Boundary County Prosecutor.

So at least in the 9th Circuit, if the State can prove the actions are objectively unreasonable, the State can prosecute federal agents.
 
Since I'm not a legal scholar or a lawyer, can the U.S. Attorney in question, be charged with dereliction of duty for failing to prosecute?
I do realize that brings into question who would file those charges and actually prosecute the case. But........
 
Can the family of Brian Terry bring civil suit gainst DOJ, BATFE, et. al., for thier involvement in the murder? It was thier gun that was found at the murder scene, even if it wasn't the gun that killed him.

Rick
 
Tom Servo quoted my brief comment, and noted post his quote:
That having been said, and regarding "a better one than contempt charges", what of the following: accessory to murder.

I suppose we could call up someone in Justice to...DRAT!
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Tom:

Point taken.
 
Public Radio, in their On Point segment today, referenced an article in the current Fortune magazine by Katherine Eban, looks/sounded interesting though it might likely be off-putting to some here. Text is found at onpoint.wbur.org, where it can be read or printed out.
 
KyJim, the prosecution of Horiuchi was permitted to proceed. The en banc decision of the 9th Circuit in Idaho v. Horiuchi,98-30149, decided and published on June 5, 2001 ...
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Al, I obviously was not aware of that and it is an important point. Thanks. I just recalled it being eventually dismissed and that's all Wikipedia says about it. Still, it would present another hurdle to a state prosecution and I remain decidedly pessimistic.
 
Nice concise story on Dennis Burke.

I like this story because it doesn’t hit the reader with the totality of Fast and Furious – just the salient points concerning Dennis Burke:

http://news.investors.com/article/616921/201207021850/obama-contributor-ran-fast-and-furious.htm

1) He is a long-time anti-gunner who worked with major players of the anti-gun movement in the democratic party.

2) He had close communication with Holder's deputy chief of staff.

3) Holder could not have been ignorant about Burke’s e-mail to his own deputy chief of staff thus Holder could not have been ignorant of Fast and Furious and its deadly consequences.

4) Dennis Burke was key in transforming BATFE interdiction efforts into gunwalking operations.

5) Burke’s 2010 comments indicate that the Attorney General and the President were giving direction to Burke.

This story also mentions Jaime Zapata, which I think is important. Jaime Zapata should never be left out of the conversation. Like Brian Terry, he was murdered with weapons that were made available to the cartels as part of a plan to sway public opinion towards more restrictive national gun laws.
 
Luger_Carbine:


The article you linked noted something about the stench reaching the oval office. It certainly seems to reach further and further, leaving one wondering as to where it might end.
 
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