ATF Project Gunrunner

Los Angeles Times print edition of today

Can't seem to find the story on the website, but Los Angeles Times print edition of today is reporting that one the main targets in F+F was detained by ATF at the border with 74 rounds and 9 cellphone concealed in his car. Hope McAlister is alleged to have put her phone number on a $10 bill so he could collaborate with ATF in the scheme, and they let him go. He diappoeared into Mexico. He didn't call or write, but there is no mention if Hope's heart broke for his neglect (heh). This supposedly was about half way through the "program".
 
Well, Holder's plea to the ad industry is working. Back then I thought guns were for hunting and self-defense. Since then I've come to appreciate the real purpose of the 2A. Thanks to the likes of Holder, Clinton, Bush and Obama, my brain has been washed of that frivolous perspective. It seems to me a LTO more people are coming to this same awareness. It aint just duck hunting.

I hope that F+F starts getting some momentum as we head into the post-primary season. The current rate is plodding along with revelations here and there, but I don't a general awareness of just how anti-American this program was and that involving multiple agencies on a foreign country could only have originated from the WH itself.
 
So the secret to escaping from the clutches of the ATF when you are their #1 target is to say "Yes I will cooperate, why don't you give me your phone number (here just scribble it one this coke dusted dollar bill) and I'll call you. Promise. Really. I aint kidding."

Then you can roam about the country or tour Mexico unmolested.

On the other hand, if have no record and your name is Randy Weaver and you say "Take a hike ATF." they send a small army to stake out your house and shoot your dog, your son and then your wife.
 
Here is the CBS News link: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_1...-was-held-by-atf-but-released-documents-show/

Apparently, the main target of Fast & Furious, Manuel Acosta, was stopped by Border Patrol, who held him for ATF in May 2010, and the ATF, specifically Agent Hope McAllister, one of the major Fast & Furious players, let him go.

Not only this; but apparently the Department of Justice did not provide this information to the Oversight Committee, even though it is covered by previous subpoenas (shocking I know).
 
From the CBS article:

Before releasing Acosta, MacAllister wrote her contact information on a $10 bill at Acosta's request, gave it to him, then warned him "not to participate in any illegal activity unless under her direction."
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Why is this not surprising? ATF seemed to be directing quite a bit of illegal activity in F&F.
 
I think an argument can be made that this is further evidence that the operation was not concerned with arresting drug cartel members, and that the true objective was to pile up straw-purchase weapons at crime scenes.

The idea that they let Manuel Acosta go in an attempt to catch a bigger fish is absurd. He was listed as the primary target for the investigation !

It just highlights the disparity between the "official" objective of F&F and the actual one.

If there wasn't some other agenda at work - they would have brought the indictment right then and there.

What about policy and procedure? Since when does a lead case agent have the authority to completely change the entire nature and scope of an operation? They had their guy - the objective that was listed as the primary target, and they let him go. I say "they" because I doubt Hope MacAllister acted on her own.
 
It also seems that DOJ is making progress in determining which of the 80,000 documents requested have nothing to do with F&F.

They turned over a few hundred documents last week and initial examination of them indicate they contain no information on F&F.
 
There was an interesting point burried in the CBS Story. It concerned the reason for not prosecuting the grenade smuggling case. "It lacked Jury appeal".
 
Re what appears to be the continuing "shucking and jiving" by Obama's DOJ over documents relevant to Operation Fast and Furious, the fact that neither Rep. Issa nor Senator Grassley have attempted to obtain contempt of congress citations against DOJ officials and or Holder himself, is certainly curious. Either of those gentlemen could so act, couldn't they?

They could also seek, and obtain subpenas, ordering the production of documents, couldn't they?
 
So in order to counter these brainwashing techniques, we must do everything we can to introduce new shooters to guns and reloading, and to take the time to explain to our children and their friends that you can not trust your Government, you can not trust any Law Enforcement. We are at war and they are not playing fair.

I used to be able to wrap my mind around that there is a man inside that uniform. A man with a family he's trying to feed and we should respect that man...That's crap though, if the man is willing to get up and put on the uniform of Oppression, well...he's flying his flag and has identified himself to be with the enemy. Our boys didn't go to germany and ask those nice men in the Nazi uniforms if they had kids at home and fish on Saturday...
 
We got to where we are because the average voter knows way more about sports than politics even though the politicians affect our daily lives and sports for the most part dont.

Its easy to point at this person and that person and say whatever but the truth is the blame belongs on "we the people" we have allowed much of the protections and checks and balances to go out of wack and the majority voted in the people who made these laws. I saw just the other day some town sent a man to jail for not having finished the siding on his home.... Really??? land of the free? not anymore....

Fast and Felonious is just a symptom of our larger illness as a nation... We have a large percentage of our nation that simply knows nothing more about laws and politics than what they read on a bumper sticker... Going to give me free this or free that... of course everyone votes for that person regardless of any party... heaven forbid we make our own way in the world.

My point isnt really political at all, my point is we as a nation of voters have failed ourselves and until the masses know more about politics than sports and media programs its going to stay this way.

I certainly believe the administration as a whole is criminally liable in the Fast and Felonious matter but it is what the majority voted in. The guys and gals in uniform are doing what the majority voted for and unfortunately it seems little of the land of the free and the home of the brave is still free...
 
They could also seek, and obtain subpenas, ordering the production of documents, couldn't they?
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The latest revelation - that Agent Hope McAlister detained and interrogated the prime target of Fast & Furious and then let him go in May 2010 - is clearly covered by already existing subpoenas and should have been given to the committee; but was not.

From what I understand, DOJ hasn't even provided a privilege log (i.e. here are documents that are relevant to your request but that we are not turning over due to various legal privileges) identifying what documents they are withholding, which is extremely unusual for an investigation that has been ongoing for over a year now.

It appears to me that DOJ is going to force the contempt issue. For some reason, they appear to think that this is a winner in the general election.
 
For some reason, they appear to think that this is a winner in the general election.
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I beleive that as bad as all this is going into an election, if the whole story and real truth were known - it would be far far worse.

It's an adminstration using the power of the Federal Government to precipitate an event that would sway public opinion. It's an administration using the power of the Federal Government against the people of the United States.

This thing with the subpeona... I would think that if congress had subpoened information, hadn't gotten it, and then an investigative reporter turns that information up - that would be an automatic trip for contempt proceedings.

This also highlights a problem that Holder has in trying to keep the lid on all of this - he has people in a number of places that are opposed to the cover-up and they keep leaking information.
 
I ran across this yesterday and searched the thread around the time it came out -- September 28, 2011 -- but I can't find any reference to it. Is it possible that everyone here missed this; or was my search flawed?

I cannot, however, find anywhere in the body of the article the quote attributed to Ms. Morales in the headline.

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September 28, 2011
Mexican attorney general: "Obama more involved in Fast & Furious than admitted!"

Jim Kouri
Law Enforcement Examiner

President Barack Obama appears to be getting it from all sides regarding a government snafu dubbed Operation Fast and Furious. Besides both houses of the U.S. Congress and a number of public-interest groups investigating what is being characterized as a rogue federal law enforcement operation, Mexico's attorney general is infuriated over the allegations that the U.S. was behind the smuggling of weapons into Mexico that ended up killing her countrymen.
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Continue reading on Examiner.com Mexican attorney general: "Obama more involved in Fast & Furious than admitted!" - National Law Enforcement | Examiner.com http://www.examiner.com/law-enforce...lved-fast-furious-than-admitted#ixzz1q0yqvWQH
 
Re what JimPeel posted, I have no doubt at all about the Mexican AG being "on point", re Obama being up to his eyebrows in this entire mess.

That having been said, who is going to bring charges against him, certainly not his Attorney General, or the Senate, with it's Democratic majority.

As for the Republicans, has Republican leadership done anything to back the inquiries of Congressman Issa or Senator Grassley?
 
While skimming some news sites i saw an article which reported what I have suspected all along. The article stated that Congressman Issa has a source in the DOJ who has been providing him documents. Has anyone else seen this article.
 
alan said:
That having been said, who is going to bring charges against him, certainly not his Attorney General, or the Senate, with it's Democratic majority.
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The Republic of Mexico could bring charges and try him in absentia; because there is no was he would show up for a trial.
 
Again, we are getting off topic. If we want to discuss Gunrunner, Fast & Furious, or issues relating directly to the Congressional investigation, by all means do so.

However, broad critiques of the President or current administration are off-limits.
 
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