ATF Project Gunrunner

Well, I wrote to my representative and Congressman Issa awhile ago

The gist of it was:


I would like to see Attorney General Eric Holder held in contempt for the Fast & Furious cover up.

I believe the contempt proceedings should start immediately.

Border Patrol agent Brian Terry was murdered with weapons that were given to the Mexican drug cartels in a scheme hatched by Lanny Breuer, Dennis Burke and Bill Newell.

For Attorney General Eric Holder to be impeding the investigation into this is a travesty and he should be immediately cited for contempt!
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I never heard back from either my rep or Issa, but now my congressman is sending me e-mails asking for campaign contributions.

I guess I should consider myself fortunate that Issa isn't hitting me up for money too.
 
...but now my congressman is sending me e-mails asking for campaign contributions.
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Sadly, the more money you give them the more likely they are to listen to you... that's just the way it is in D.C.

If 20 or 30 members here had a Senator or two and a Congressman or three in their pockets, something might get accomplished in this regards. Possibly.
 
I made a point of writing Senator Ron Johnson of Wisconsin. I ask him why the atorney generasl and the homeland security director can outright lie to congress and not be prosecuted. I asked him what he intended to do about it and demanded a reply, Not a standard bs reply, but an answer with what direction this was going.
If we all stay on theri tails, they will have to do something!
 
According to the Daily CallerU. S. Assistant Attorney General Ronald Weich (of "ATF makes every effort to interdict weapons that have been purchased illegally and prevent their transportation to Mexico" fame) has resigned from his position with DOJ - making him the first D.C. DOJ employee (but not the last) to fall on his sword.
 
This is kind of strange because it doesn't seem to me that F&F is recieving that much attention. I know that can be a function of the media, but it's almost as if the F&F investigation is in hiatus.

Weich, Holder or the administration must see something coming down the pike for this to happen.
 
Weich, Holder or the administration must see something coming down the pike for this to happen.
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Of course they do. What's coming down the pike is the 2012 elections. No one with any political connection to the current administration is going to push anything that might potentially embarass them.

After the elections, it will either be a case of the re-elected administration throwing a few sacrifical lambs to us, and burying the issue completely, or a new administration trying to see those responsible actually face justice. And, in the case of a new administration, there will be a strong push to just let it go, as they have more important, more pressing, more current things to do, and fix.

Myself, I think this is something that should be brought up (and forcefully) everytime any politicain mentions anything about our borders. With the election looming, this is the worst time to let them hide it under the rug.

Of course, that's just me....
 
Another option that Ronald Weich is running out of cannon fodder (not so USAG Holder though). There are only so many people between him and Phoenix that he can throw under the bus and most of them are gone now.

Add to that he is a political appointee and will lose his job with little warning should President Obama not be re-elected in November. If he stays, he faces several opportunities to perjure himself before Congress, only this time there will be fewer people he can blame for these unfortunate misunderstandings, since most of those people have already been blamed for the previous "miscommunications."

I could see where a nice, cushy job as dean of a law school would seem attractive to him given the potential future scenarios of keeping his current job.

On the other hand, Lanny Breuer is obviously either a liar or so grossly incompetent in judgment he couldn't get work as a line cook in McDonald's; but AG Holder doesn't seem to be interested in seeing him go just yet. I guess Holder is worried about his own line of cannon fodder getting thinned out too soon.
 
re 44amp in post 2128, that's likely how the thing will go, which strikes me as all wrong.

Of course, nobody in power asked my opinion, and besides, given that I still believe 2+2=4, what do I know? Oh by the way, I don't even come close to getting a meaningful response from any of my "elected things", canned emails and boiler plate "letters" not being meaningful responses.

Just like the financial aspects of The Great Recession, none of those truly responsible will ever be inconvenienced, let along punished for manifold wrongdoings.
 
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Myself, I think this is something that should be brought up (and forcefully) everytime any politicain mentions anything about our borders.
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Politicians aren't talking about our borders much these days, so I don't really see that happening.
 
AG Holder doesn't seem to be interested in seeing him go just yet. I guess Holder is worried about his own line of cannon fodder getting thinned out too soon.
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That, or he's worried that one of them will start singing.

I've got a sneaky suspicion that this matter will be politicized during the months leading up to November.
 
Holders not worried because he is aware the likelihood of something sticking to him is very remote. Holder is not concerned that a few congressman are making an on again, off again, half hearted attempt at getting to the bottom of F&F.

The professional bureaucrats in the BATFE guide the organization and give it direction. It is significant that Operation F&F originated with the professional bureaucrats in the BATFE, not the political appointees. The concept of F&F was sold up the food chain by those same professional bureaucrats.

Despite bombastic sporadic rhetoric to the contrary, the US congress is not interested in reining in the BATFE.
 
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Was Bill Newell a political appointee?


The idea could have been hatched by anybody, but I believe the first we see of it is in documents originated from Burke... I could be wrong. I thought it might have between Dennis Burke and Bill Newell. Although we really don't know right?

Dennis Burke was (is) so rabidly anti-gun I wouldn't doubt he was the mastermind.

I think at the very least though there were a lot of people in the BATFE who were willing to pimp ATF out to the administration to score political points.
 
Was Bill Newell a political appointee?
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No, he was the SAC of the Phoenix field office and a career agent. Dennis Burke was the federal prosecutor for AZ. He blessed F&F.

I think at the very least though there were a lot of people in the BATFE who were willing to pimp ATF out to the administration to score political points.
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Bingo!!! Its always that way.

In the late 1970s i was a M/Sgt. in US Army EOD. Had a lot of professional dealings with the BATF. Been reluctant to tell this story to anyone for 33 years.
The SAC of a BATF regional office tried to coerce me into lying to a federal judge.

Acting on information provided by a snitch felon, the BATF raided the home of an outstanding citizen and took his gun collection of over 200 pieces. They also confiscated hundreds of thousands of rounds of ammunition.

This is where i came in. To shorten the story, the BATFE claimed they turned all that ammo over to my EOD unit for destruction. That was a lie. After i refused to write a statement saying we had destroyed that ammo, the SAC showed up at my office with a CID officer i had known for many years. The SAC asked the CID officer to read me my rights. The CID man retorted: "You sob if you want the M/Sgt. informed of his rights, you do it".

There was an internal BATF investigation; i was questioned by the BATF investigator. He readily admitted that a federal judge had ordered the BATF to return the guns and ammo to their owner. Some of the guns and all of the ammo was missing. i retired from the Army shortly after, moved out of the state and don't know what happened after that.

if i'm on this site complaining about my instant check going tilt you will know why. :D
 
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Based on the article I read, in this instance "prepare" means something like "We're getting ready to start getting ready to get ready to start thinking about whether or not we should start thinking about maybe doing something."

In other words ... don't expect to read tomorrow's headlines and see that Holder has been served.
 
I understand from the article though the political risks involved in leveling a contempt charge.

It's almost as if the case for the contempt charge has to be tried in the court of public opinion and the accusers must prevail or face political backlash.

It takes time to build support for something like that, to plan, to organize, to coordinate.

From the article, it sounds like the next step after the contempt charge would be getting a federal judge to order DOJ to turn over all remaining requested documents.

Could a judge also order them to turn over unredacted documents?
 
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