Are Glocks unsafe ?
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Nope, can't say that I do. Why? Because I carry a Glock... duh
However, when I did carry a 1911 I didn't carry that way either, because the manufacturer didn't intend for the pistol to be carried in that fashion. It should be common sense not to carry a firearm in a condition the manufacturer didn't intend.
"I thought all guns were safe. guns can't go off by themselves."
Actually, they can. My great uncle in the panhandle of Florida had a Beretta 92 cook-off on the dash-board of his VW Rabbit pickup truck back in the middle 1980's Middle of summer during that head-wave evidently made it cook off. I would not have expected that to have happened, and was very doubtful that it had, until I saw the holes for myself. Evidently it cooked several rounds off, punching holes in different places on that truck.
But then, that definitely counts as a freak occurrence.
One thing I wonder, though, is why so many folks seem to hold so much scorn towards those of us who actually prefer a safety?
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Actually, they can. My great uncle in the panhandle of Florida had a Beretta 92 cook-off on the dash-board of his VW Rabbit pickup truck back in the middle 1980's Middle of summer during that head-wave evidently made it cook off. I would not have expected that to have happened, and was very doubtful that it had, until I saw the holes for myself. Evidently it cooked several rounds off, punching holes in different places on that truck.
But then, that definitely counts as a freak occurrence.
One thing I wonder, though, is why so many folks seem to hold so much scorn towards those of us who actually prefer a safety?
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MTMilitiaman
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Because they openly question the professionalism and integrity of those who don't...
I think you are reading too much into a gunboard bs session. If someone publicly questions your integrity simply for having a different opinion, they are asking to be ignored.
As for the notion that you will carry an item the way the manufacturer intends you to (and like it!
), I must disagree. If I find a manner safer to carry a glock that the way gaston envisioned, I will use whether Gaston takes me off the Christmas card list or not.I don't know anyone who carries a 1911 with a loaded chamber and the thumb safety off. I think that is because it would be less safe that carrying with the thumb safety on. Does anyone seriously disagree?
To revisit the analogy, car manufacturers once intended you to use their product without seatbelts. That doesn't make driving without seatbelts just as safe as driving without.
281 Quad Cam
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Why does SIG escape this persecution?
Their DA pulls are often no heavier than the Glock NY1 trigger's.
Their DA pulls are often no heavier than the Glock NY1 trigger's.
Silly me. If I'm not comfortable with the way a manufacturer intended their firearm to be used I just go out and get one I'm comfortable with. It's not like there's a lack of selection in the market place. Hence I bought a Glock rather than attempting to carry a 1911 cocked and unlocked.
What is the salient difference?
Yes, when will Glock's Holocaust of doubt end? Why the Auschwitz of questions?
"Persecution" may be a little dramatic.
A Sig da trigger is listed at 12 pounds and has a long travel. A Glock NY1 trigger is listed at 8 pounds and has much less travel.
Lots of Sig fans will tell you that you should have your thumb on the hammer as you holster to guard against an AD.
An article on trigger weights, if anyone is interested.
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0BQY/is_11_50/ai_n6209982
RockyMtnTactical
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Glocks are very safe. Mine haven't shot me yet.
Besides the obvious fact that one was designed to be carried that way and one wasn't? Besides the fact they're very different handgun designs? Besides the fact that internal safety devices can vary in 1911 pistols made by different manufactuers and even among different models from the same manufacturer? Besides the fact that a cocked 1911 hammer has enough energy to discharge a round and a partially cocked Glock striker does not? Besides the fact that a 1911 trigger can be pulled from edge and a Glock trigger cannot?
Not saying that a 1911 is a bad gun by any stretch of the imagination, but I certainly wouldn't even consider carrying cocked and unlocked. It's just not designed for that method of carry.
On the other hand, the Glock was designed to be carried with no manual safety. Tens of thousands (if not hundreds of thousands) of people carry them in this manner around the world every single day and manage not to accidently shoot school children and puppies. Pretty amazing for such an "unsafe" handgun.
Now you understand the position of people who conclude that a Glock is not optimally designed for loaded carry.
The Glock has the trigger-on-a-trigger safety, but no grip safety, and lots of 1911s have firing pin safeties. Just as you wouldn't consider carrying a 1911 cocked and unlocked (a reasonable conclusion, IMO), others come to the same conclusion regarding a functionally similar Glock.
All you have to do is practice the basic rules of gun safety.
Keep your fingers off of the trigger, how hard is that?
If you can't follow the rules, you don't have any business owning or handling firearms.
Glocks are SAFE! I never had any safety issues with any of mine.
TO the OP... police officers are not the most knowledgable people on firearms. Some don't even shoot their guns except once a year to qualify with it. I woundn't be suprised if they shot themselves with any firearm.
Keep your fingers off of the trigger, how hard is that?
If you can't follow the rules, you don't have any business owning or handling firearms.
Glocks are SAFE! I never had any safety issues with any of mine.
TO the OP... police officers are not the most knowledgable people on firearms. Some don't even shoot their guns except once a year to qualify with it. I woundn't be suprised if they shot themselves with any firearm.
No problem understanding the position, I simply disagree with it. Carrying a loaded Glock is safer than riding in a car, even with airbags and seatbelts. If I'm willing to do the latter multiple times a day every day, I don't see why I should be concerned about the former. As long as I continue to follow the four rules and treat my Glocks with the respect that all firearms deserve, then I'm confident they're not going to discharge unintentionally and accidently mow down any poor little kittens.
If somebody isn't confident in their ability to keep their finger off the trigger, then I fully agree that carrying a loaded Glock might not be the correct choice for them. In fact I'm pretty sure that thier friends, family and anybody else within range would likely agree, too.
Tens of thousands if not millions of people manage every day to drive around and not need their seatbelt, what does that prove?
True Glock fans will never accept the possiblity of an error on the part of the designer. If every rule were followed there would be no accidents, just like driving. At the same time the engineers incorporate lots of things to help keep us alive in cars because we learned the hard way that not everybody always follows the rules.
Let's look at it this way, would it be a BAD thing if the Glock were designed so you didn't have to pull the trigger to disassemble it? Can we at least acknowledge that this would be a good thing?
Don't believe any changes are needed in Glocks
Just read the manual, clear the weapon as you would any other auto, double check again that there is no round in the chamber, disassemble, and clean...is that really so hard? This thread is so much to do about nothing...those who adhere to gun safety never have issues...those who think they know it all typically have these problems.
Just read the manual, clear the weapon as you would any other auto, double check again that there is no round in the chamber, disassemble, and clean...is that really so hard? This thread is so much to do about nothing...those who adhere to gun safety never have issues...those who think they know it all typically have these problems.
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onesiphorus
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All the same
If you have an XD and you are gripping it, it's just as easily discharged as a Glock.
If you have a 1911 and are gripping it with the safety off, it's more easily discharged than a Glock.
If you have a TDA/SA and the hammer is back, it's more easily discharged than a Glock.
There are some DAO's that take greater force on the trigger to discharge i.e., KelTec.
There are others that don't: Kahr's, Smith M&P's and SVE's, Steyr...probably more.
Keep you finger out of the trigger well until you have the target in the sights!
Actually, I've had more malfunctions and heard of more Unintentional Discharges with 1911's than any other style of handgun
If you have an XD and you are gripping it, it's just as easily discharged as a Glock.
If you have a 1911 and are gripping it with the safety off, it's more easily discharged than a Glock.
If you have a TDA/SA and the hammer is back, it's more easily discharged than a Glock.
There are some DAO's that take greater force on the trigger to discharge i.e., KelTec.
There are others that don't: Kahr's, Smith M&P's and SVE's, Steyr...probably more.
Keep you finger out of the trigger well until you have the target in the sights!
Actually, I've had more malfunctions and heard of more Unintentional Discharges with 1911's than any other style of handgun
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