Anyone heard about this anti US movie

Your understanding must be limited if you see being good at carrying a gun as paranoid.
Nope, that is not what I see. I see basing one's every political conviction on that one issue as extreme.

(liberal education
So you got yourself a nice conservative education?

Now that you have given them the information do you feel any responsibility to help them learn gun safety?
The very first thing I talked about whe I broached the subject was how crucial safety is.

The real goal of those companies is to make money and they are willing to trample the Chinese people to do it. These computors hold alot of information about the users and with the companies help they will control the thought process of the Chinese.
You're still missing the point; before, the people of China had virtually no access. Now they have limited access and the ability as well as opportunity to circumvent those limitations.

The real goal of all companies is to make money.

The difference in you and me is I have seen the effect on women and our society as the new ways were put in. Alot has happened and not all of it good for women. See women moved into the heavy work because that is were the money is if you don't have an education. I have seen more suffer serious medical problems associated with heavy work and most ended up spending their hard earned money on medical bills.

Plus while the women moved into the workforce it caused inflation so a house that used to cost 17,000 now cost 170,000 making it all but impossible of an un-educated women to make a livng much less have the choice of raising a family. The life given them gives them no choice but to work now and choice is what they always scream about.

Oh please. So you believe it's ok for men to do heavy work and hurt themselves but the ladies are too weak and fragile? :rolleyes:

Are you seriously blaming inflation on women in the workforce???

Of course women have a choice. They have a choice to work or raise a family or do both. The same choice that men have. You just think that women can't perform as well as men in business, industry, war, engineering, academia, law, medicine, and just about every other field.

Guess what: men can stay home and raise kids, too.

Because you haven't seen the difference in the world in the last fifty years you don't know if it is better now or not. Conservative means you hang on to the best things in life and make changes that really work for the purpose you intend. Not social expearments that destroy the fabric of society along with the economy.
It's too bad for you that conservatives are NOT the authority on what those "best things in life" are.

It is shamefull but the Liberals set up the system and there is nothing but pain comming from it for too many blacks.
Can you support your claim that the liberals set all of it up? Have conservatives been there every step of the way trying to save the black man from the evil commie liberal? Prove it.

I have lived and worked with many Native Americans, I don't believe you know anthing about them so conversation about going from uncivilized nomads to where we are today won't be productive.
Yeah, Manifest Destiny was real civilized.

You and me we are all self centered and we all do what is best for number 1. So again your name calling should give you reason to look in the mirror as you do it.
The difference is that I don't claim to be the authority on what is "right", "moral", or "family".

Opinion is developed by gathering the facts and the fact is that todays liberal education is very low quality. Your words
Not liberal education, just education. I'd like to see some examples of your prolific "conservative education". Or does such a thing exist outside of seminary?
 
Nope, that is not what I see. I see basing one's every political conviction on that one issue as extreme.

Working from a foundation of survival isn't bashing others political convictions but taking my ability to survive by your political convictons gives me no chance to survive. So I guess it's you that lacks the comprehension to understand that. Death is extreme and it should be avoided till it's time to die yet liberals try to hasten the death of others from the very time you are in the womb and all through your life by social policy.

So you got yourself a nice conservative education?

Time and asking yourself "what's different" is the best educator you can get. My education took place a long time ago before the schools went to hell.

Oh please. So you believe it's ok for men to do heavy work and hurt themselves but the ladies are too weak and fragile?

Are you seriously blaming inflation on women in the workforce???

Of course women have a choice. They have a choice to work or raise a family or do both. The same choice that men have. You just think that women can't perform as well as men in business, industry, war, engineering, academia, law, medicine, and just about every other field.

Guess what: men can stay home and raise kids, too.

What is foolish about you utopia is that it can't happen in todays world or even in yesterdays world. Education is only a part of life and the tuth is not all people have the chance for an education. Plus when education fails people then it lessens their chance be thay men or women..

You can educate all you want but there has to be opertunity to make the amount of money that it takes just to have a standard class of living. The social changes brought on by the liberals are driving those who create oppertunity overseas. We are losing jobs by the millions that pay good money which creates real problems for those who never had a chance at education.

I don't care who stays home or if nobody stays home, that is the right of us all. You should be able to reason what it does to society with the lack of child care that makes a difference like a parent gives. I have seen some major changes with young people and they are the future of the country. There are too many dopers going to run this country in the future and that is sad.

Can you support your claim that the liberals set all of it up? Have conservatives been there every step of the way trying to save the black man from the evil commie liberal? Prove it.

Social policy has been pushed through by liberal democrats like Johnson. He gave us "the great society" program of the welfare state. Even if you had a liberal education you should at least know that.

The difference is that I don't claim to be the authority on what is "right", "moral", or "family".

Again you point out what is wrong with me as immoral in your eyes as to the way I see family and life in general. If you are setting someone up as an authority then it is you:D I have opinions that I express as to how life is different today than it was when I was growing up. You are the one condeming my opinion and you can't even understand yourself let alone me:D :rolleyes:

Not liberal education, just education. I'd like to see some examples of your prolific "conservative education". Or does such a thing exist outside of seminary?

Living a long life with my eyes wide open comparing the differences while continually adding to my education in everything that deals with my life. You can't get that from a text book, you have to live it.

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that's it, it's on. Me and Redworm Vs Carbiner and 25...lets go. I'll see you behind the school and we're having a throwdown.

I am not much for a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent:D But understand Rinos are not conservatives nor is the administration that we have now. They are against the constitution in so many ways that the country is in jepoardy. If you need to discuss something then topic it and have at it.

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One only needs to look around and see where liberalism is going.
News paper circulation dropping, most Americans are getting sick of day after day liberal news. Tv networks and radio offer more balance, a veiw from the right and center for a change.
Support for liberal ideology, such as abortion, femenism, anti gun laws, progressive taxation are falling.
When it comes to the gun issue America has one thing to say to liberals like Diane Feinsein, Clinton, Kennedy, kerry and ilk, BACK OFF!

America has shown the ACLU and their ilk it's not nice to mess with Cristmas.
In other words I don't have to prove the failures of liberalism, it's doing that now.

America is showing it's growing tired of of too many failing social programs and getting robbed one pay check after another. Only to hear were not not taking care of our PRICELESS veterans, but we pay for a slim bags to have a sex change in or out of prison.
 
Working from a foundation of survival isn't bashing others political convictions but taking my ability to survive by your political convictons gives me no chance to survive.
Then it's a good thing not a single one of my political convictions advocates taking your guns away. maybe if you didn't think the world was so polarized between left and right you'd understand that people can be pro-gun AND support some liberal ideals.

I'm a hard core capitalist but I also refuse to allow bible thumpers to tell me who I'm allowed to marry. I'm all about gun rights but I believe putting the ten commandments in school is equally as wrong as taking guns away. Why on earth do you think that people can only be liberal or conservative?

Time and asking yourself "what's different" is the best educator you can get. My education took place a long time ago before the schools went to hell.
Your education also took place in a time when many things that were considered "right" are now illegal and considered very wrong. I highly doubt you can prove that your education is any better than the education being given today in terms of political ideologies.

What is foolish about you utopia is that it can't happen in todays world or even in yesterdays world. Education is only a part of life and the tuth is not all people have the chance for an education. Plus when education fails people then it lessens their chance be thay men or women..

You can educate all you want but there has to be opertunity to make the amount of money that it takes just to have a standard class of living. The social changes brought on by the liberals are driving those who create oppertunity overseas. We are losing jobs by the millions that pay good money which creates real problems for those who never had a chance at education.

I don't care who stays home or if nobody stays home, that is the right of us all. You should be able to reason what it does to society with the lack of child care that makes a difference like a parent gives. I have seen some major changes with young people and they are the future of the country. There are too many dopers going to run this country in the future and that is sad.
What utopia? The one where people are allowed to live their lives as they see fit without overt pressure from governments and other men on how to interact with others? The one where I'm allowed to drink what I want, smoke what I want, marry who I want, say what I want, watch what I want, and believe what I want as long as I don't infringe on anyone else's right to do the same?

Your latter comment is true but it doesn't change my point, which you didn't address. Just because something was done a certain way when you were growing up does NOT make it right. Again, conservatives are not the authority on what things were better "back in the day".

Social policy has been pushed through by liberal democrats like Johnson. He gave us "the great society" program of the welfare state. Even if you had a liberal education you should at least know that.
Who created the welfare program?

Again you point out what is wrong with me as immoral in your eyes as to the way I see family and life in general. If you are setting someone up as an authority then it is you I have opinions that I express as to how life is different today than it was when I was growing up. You are the one condeming my opinion and you can't even understand yourself let alone me
Nope, I didn't claim any part of you was immoral, merely that things your generation once considered moral are considered immoral by mine. Before your generation is was obscene for women to show their ankles or to own land.

I don't claim to be an authority on morality but no one else's opinion on it should determine how I live my life. That's exactly what conservatives seem to want to do.

Living a long life with my eyes wide open comparing the differences while continually adding to my education in everything that deals with my life. You can't get that from a text book, you have to live it.
Good for you. That still doesn't change my point. "Tradition" is not always right.

NEWS FLASH!

Redworm planning to see movie - world predicted to end the following day.
Already downloaded it. :D

In fact my roommates home with lunch, I think I'll ask her if she wants to watch it. May the force be with y'all. brb. :)
 
Bible Thumpers?

Thats a term invented by liberal extremists. I'll say one thing, when LIBERAL art students used TAX money to place a cross in a jar of urine, no one got killed for it.

Sorry use of tax money too.
 
Bible Thumpers?

Thats a term invented by liberal extremists. I'll say one thing, when LIBERAL art students used TAX money to place a cross in a jar of urine, no one got killed for it.

Sorry use of tax money too.
Bible thumper, Koran thumper, potato, potato. May or may not have been invented by liberals but one doesn't need to be extreme to think of it. I guess if you've ever been to a southern baptist sermon the phrase rings quite true.

I agree, that would be a very sorry use of tax money. Still freedom of expression, though. When/where did this happen?
 
Just google piss christ, it was funded by national endowment of arts.

Again they only hurt and make themselves look weak and pathetic to America.

The religion and people they work so hard to insult and hate work hard to reach out to our VETERANS.

Just as that tax money should be used.
 
Redworm you seem to assume alot:D Your assumtion that I am telling you you can't do something is all wrong. I am for freedom to choose the life you want even if it screws you up. I convey what I have expearienced to work or not work for the better quality life but it's just for those who choose to follow the same path.

If you feel presure it sure isn't me that is putting it on, it's you that makes you feel not someone else.. If you want to smoke dope or do a line of coke or watch porn all day while eating cheetos I could care less as things always come to an end for us all and in the end if you measure it good quality to do those things then all you have to answer to is you and your belief.. Heck I don't claim to be an authority either but I have lived long enough to see what doesn't work and who led the path there.

Tradition fails when it is no longer possible to follow or a much better way comes along to change to a new tradition. The liberals seem to come up with a new way and damn the consequences because they live on emotion and not logic. Is the lifestyle better for us all or just those special intrest? Those who advocate dope are living their lives for dope. Those who advocate guns are trying to stay alive because of the dope fiends.

I won't bore you with a big picture of how we all affect society with our actions and I am not saying mine is the better way. I am saying I have seen what is being done and expressing my opinion that it doesn't work. Yet even looking at all the minorities you mention and all the programs that have cost trillions of tax dollars people still support the failures of our time, the liberals. If you think they are not failures with all the money spent then I ask you would you change lives with any black man in this country?


One last point, your constant reference to Bibles, Korans ect is annoying as I haven't brought up religion at all. What is inside another human that gives them faith or even "won't power" is the strength of commitment in what they believe. That means no halfway measures. Anyone who can show this strength get's my respect what ever they believe. Others just don't measure up in my opinion:D :D

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Well 25, at least we're on the same page regarding this administration wipin it's butt with the constitution and placing this country in (further, furher) danger...and as far as the expression 'bible thumpers', being coined by athiest liberals, you are so wrong, it was coined by people living the the fricken bible belt who were sick of everyone else shoving this busted *ss ideology on the rest of us. I lived in the boonies of Georgia for almost a decade and the only thing to do is go to church...all baptist. (the kinds of churches where 'colored's weren't allowed and chicks who got preganant were asked not to come back. feeel the love) I keep trying to tell my super-religous uncle, the only difference between him and I is that he thinks he's forgiven. I'm for abolishing the bible and teaching everyone the mantra 'what goes around comes around'...if people lived by that one rule the world would be a better place.
 
I'm for abolishing the bible and teaching everyone the mantra 'what goes around comes around'...if people lived by that one rule the world would be a better place.

This has been tried a number of times in history and every group that tried it failed miserably. Like it or not alot people see themselves as religous and not just here but all over the world. I doubt you can find a country that most people don't believe in some sort of God. So an effort to try to stop people from worshiping is only for fools.

People turn to God or away from God for alot of reasons. Religion is a deep commitment if taken to word and you see less commitment in nations with a higher living standard. A man in Iraq is much more likely to die for his God than a man in Europe who thanks God for all he was given and promisses to care for things. In Iraq all you have is God and faith, here we have things first and God second.

So the real battle isn't the Bible or religion, it is getting man to live up to standards of behavior. Liberalism is what leads people astray from all beliefs because Liberals themselves are not true to what they say, same as alot of people don't follow the Bible they believe in. Liberals talk about freedom of choice but fail to let you have a gun.

They talk about caring for people but push the blacks into ghetos with rent subsidies and food stamps rather than getting them to work. Their policies make for bigger government and soon the private sector wouldn't exist. One of the biggest examples of a liberal saying he "feels our pain" signed a republican arranged Free Trade Agreement that sold our jobs to China.

Myself I profess a belief but it's no bodies business nor do I need to push my religion on anyone. I believe in freedom of choice to believe because that is what it's about. If one has a God he is letting you do as you will so who am I to stop the choices a God gave you. Well up to the point that you cause harm to me or my family, then you will see if he is there or not.:D

I also believe that bad choices certianly are made because people won't learn and the consequences are each mans God culls the chaff from the wheat. Again I don't like talking religion but you guys won't leave it alone.

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Tradition fails when it is no longer possible to follow or a much better way comes along to change to a new tradition. The liberals seem to come up with a new way and damn the consequences because they live on emotion and not logic. Is the lifestyle better for us all or just those special intrest? Those who advocate dope are living their lives for dope. Those who advocate guns are trying to stay alive because of the dope fiends.

I won't bore you with a big picture of how we all affect society with our actions and I am not saying mine is the better way. I am saying I have seen what is being done and expressing my opinion that it doesn't work. Yet even looking at all the minorities you mention and all the programs that have cost trillions of tax dollars people still support the failures of our time, the liberals. If you think they are not failures with all the money spent then I ask you would you change lives with any black man in this country?
You're right, and many traditions have failed. I agree that liberals have put the needs of special interests above others. That's not equality and I've never agreed with it.

Equality has only one true definition and that's all I'm asking for out of society.

I disagree with your claim that "Those who advocate dope are living their lives for dope." Very untrue; there are many who are against the war on drugs that don't use any (with the exception of alcohol, usually). There are those who use drugs recreationally that don't "live their lives" for their drugs any more than the average gun owner lives his life for his guns (though I don't doubt that nutjobs exist in both groups that do live their lives for inanimate objects). Those who advocate guns are not trying to stay alive because of "dope fiends"...give me a break, plenty of violence exists without drugs just as plenty of violence exists without guns.

I wouldn't necessarily want to trade lives with any other person but the race of the individual in question would not affect that.

One last point, your constant reference to Bibles, Korans ect is annoying as I haven't brought up religion at all.
You haven't but it can't be denied. Many beliefs of conservatives are directly related to their religion. Considering political and societal issues in the US without considering the influence of religions on them is like building a plane but deciding to ignore the law of gravity. :p


And for the record I haven't watched the movie; the one I aquired was unplayable so I'll have to wait for a better release. :(
 
Equality has only one true definition and that's all I'm asking for out of society.

In reality we are not all equal even under the law. We are not physicly or morally, spritually (or in spelling:D ) or monetarily equal nor will we ever be. The only equality I will guarentee is we will all die. There is your equality and the only way in society it will ever be equal.

There are no "recreational" drugs just people who want to use that word rather than addiction. If you have ever been around those people who do drugs you will see that drugs are all that is important in their life. Even the people that think they are above addiction will get hung up on the crap. I guess my seeing it for years doesn't have any meaning to you anymore than my losing family members because of drugs but even you can't believe we don't have a drug problem in this country and it aint because it is illegal it's because people screw their minds up with the crap.

(though I don't doubt that nutjobs exist in both groups that do live their lives for inanimate objects).

Your kinda funny:D People all over this world believe in gods they have never seen to the point of killing themselves and you for him. People all over this world would sell their soul and yours for the next dope fix they can get. The world is full of really bad people yet you think a person who spends alot of time on his and his families defense a nut job.

You ain't got the picture as to who victims are, victims are unarmed people. If you are going to go armed in life then you have to know who is a threat and which party is most apt to steal your guns. You will not be in good physical shape for ever but you can use a gun till very late in life. You will , if you live long enough , fit the victim profile and there will be nothing but a gun standing between you and the BG. That is if the liberals let you have a gun.

I don't give a hoot if you think I am a nut job because I build the base of my life on survival. I am alive because I refused to let people kill me or take my gun from me. I won't give them money knowingly to take my life. You can call me nuts all you want but I am alive and I have lived a life few men will ever get a chance at.


As for the movie I like what O'rielly had in his opinion column. He pointed out what he believed hollywood made the movie just for a political statement. He also pondered what real cowboys would have done if they stumbled upon these sheep herders in the movie:D I won't see it nor the sequal nor the third remake that I am sure hollywood will put out. They are liberals and undeserving of my money.:D

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In reality we are not all equal even under the law. We are not physicly or morally, spritually (or in spelling ) or monetarily equal nor will we ever be. The only equality I will guarentee is we will all die. There is your equality and the only way in society it will ever be equal.
You have a point but that doesn't mean the inequalities should be intentionally perpetuated.

There are no "recreational" drugs just people who want to use that word rather than addiction. If you have ever been around those people who do drugs you will see that drugs are all that is important in their life.
Your experiences differ greatly from mine. I drink recreationally yet I am not addicted to alcohol. I have friends who smoke marijuana recreationally yet are not addicted. I have friends who use cocaine, a couple on a regular basis in lieu of caffiene, yet are still productive members of society.

I guess my seeing it for years doesn't have any meaning to you anymore than my losing family members because of drugs but even you can't believe we don't have a drug problem in this country and it aint because it is illegal it's because people screw their minds up with the crap.
Yeah I've also lost people to drugs, mainly tobacco (which is perfectly legal, by the way). I believe we do have a drug problem but that it should be treated as a public health concern, not a law enforcement issue. The prohibition of the stuff only makes sure that more money goes into the criminal underground and that people who could benefit from medical treatment are instead put in jail for a few months only to be let out and continue feeding their addiction.

Not all drugs ruin the mind. Alcohol kills brain cells but so does sneezing. Marijuana impairs the memory during use and shortly after but only chronic use will cause longer impairment but tends to go away after longer periods of abstinence. Salvia, a completely legal drug, does not seem to have any lasting effects at all after 24 hours. The mental effects of tobacco also dissipate after use has stopped. Stronger drugs have stronger effects but the majority do not "ruin the mind" unless used frequently.

Regardless of all this, it's not your mind. It's their minds to ruin. If they want to destroy their lives then it's none of my business but it's also not my responsibility and thus I, nor you nor anyone else should have to pay for it. The problem is that one camp wants to you to pay for someone ruining his life with heroin while the other camp wants me to pay for the state ruining someone's life for sparking a joint. In both cases the money is doing more to prolong the problem than solve it.

Your kinda funny People all over this world believe in gods they have never seen to the point of killing themselves and you for him. People all over this world would sell their soul and yours for the next dope fix they can get. The world is full of really bad people yet you think a person who spends alot of time on his and his families defense a nut job.
No, not a person who spends a lot of time on his and his family's defense. A peson who spends all his time on the weapons preferred for that defense but ignoring the original concept of it. I see a guy who buys a new gun with his rent money equally as irresponsible as a guy who buys a pound of hash with his rent money.

Defense of one's life and one's freedom is very important but it's when the guns become more important than the life and liberty being defended that I see it as paranoia. I highly doubt you or anyone else here really fits that mold but there are those who do. On the other hand many here put their freedom above the freedom of others. That's not cool.
As for the movie I like what O'rielly had in his opinion column. He pointed out what he believed hollywood made the movie just for a political statement. He also pondered what real cowboys would have done if they stumbled upon these sheep herders in the movie I won't see it nor the sequal nor the third remake that I am sure hollywood will put out. They are liberals and undeserving of my money.
I don't doubt that a political statement was part of the movie's intended purpose but it was also meant not only as a form of entertainment but as an eye-opener for people who have misconceptions about gays. And gay cowboys, which do exist. :D

I've been spending less and less money on movies recently but not because of a political statement...just the simple fact that a lot of crap is being released lately. Every well known movie in the past few years has been either a remake, sequel/prequel, or adaptation from a book. I didn't spend money to see Homo On The Range nor am I likely to spend money seeing the movie that was the original subject of this thread. I prefer to preview most movies at home before deciding whether or not to spend money on them (with the exception of movies made for the purpose of a special effects orgy like the third Matrix movie or Revenge of the Sith) and the former was simply a lackluster flick; the latter will most likely be the same.
 
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