Anyone heard about this anti US movie

[Redworm]

There is no problem with comprehension of what you write, you are left of center. So is Hollywood.

I disagree. You misunderstood my comments about the armed forces in the first place.

Of course I'm left of center...at least socially; economically I'm far right.

I have no problem with Hollywood being far left because - HEY! - they're free to express their opinions as they see fit. Why should anyone in Hollywood be expected to express opinions they don't agree with?

 

[carbiner]

So many more people are seeing Hollywood for what they really are, baloney, left wing elites who look down on everyday America.

It's clear many members on TFL don't buy Hollywood's propaganda,or the media's as far as that goes.

 

[Harley Quinn]

America has freedom of speech...

How many of the countries are as liberal in that term of freedom.

It is very complicated more, liberal more freedom, the conservative Right are not for freedom, they are for dominating your life. May not be with Governement but with religion. Pretty scarry really.

Turkish are an example of a very thin line, but so far that line is very stong.

When we talk about rights lets remember the Magna Charta, 1215 (date) for the rights of citizens. Pretty much on the cutting edge of liberty and justice for all, for that time frame any way. Lets look at nations that don't have that even now.

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[Handy]

MoW,

I'm saying: Why do you CARE if someone participates in mild anti-US propaganda? It's a Turkish film that presents a skewed account of actual events.


I guess I'll start taking this sort of thing seriously when the US starts apologizing to all our past enemies or whatever that we exaggerated in our films. Everybody does it; the Turks are pissed about how an allied country treated their troops, and they made a bitter film about it.


Consider what Munich looks like to the Arab world, or how well Midnight Express or Lawrence of Arabia were received in Turkey.


It's just a movie.

 

[model 25]

I have no problem with Hollywood being far left because - HEY! - they're free to express their opinions as they see fit. Why should anyone in Hollywood be expected to express opinions they don't agree with?

Your failure to understand what you do amazes me. You don't seem to understand the consequences for your behavior. The people you support by going to the movies spend large amounts of money to try and change your life. Not just to steal your guns but your property too with socialism. If you promote their cause you destroy your own ability to have freedom.

Understand the Muslim radicals hate us and use free speech to spread the hate. Notice the same way the democrats hate Bush and use the freedom of speech to spread the hate. There is a difference in responsible desent and fanning the flames of hatred. Hollywood has worked hard to break up the American family and now are working on the government.

You expect nothing from hollywood but opinions but they give us nothing but propaganda for the left.

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[Handy]

This movie wasn't made in Hollywood.


As far as leftist propaganda, were you thinking of Top Gun or Stealth? What is this pro-military leftist proganda doing to our children?

 

[model 25]

This movie wasn't made in Hollywood.


As far as leftist propaganda, were you thinking of Top Gun or Stealth? What is this pro-military leftist proganda doing to our children?

The main stars are from Hollywood and portray us badly by the accounts given here.

Pro military propaganda ? Doing to your children? What are you talking about? Do you honestly believe America could exist without a military? Who would serve you if it were not for the volunteers? Try to think a bit before you reply.

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[Redworm]

Your failure to understand what you do amazes me. You don't seem to understand the consequences for your behavior. The people you support by going to the movies spend large amounts of money to try and change your life. Not just to steal your guns but your property too with socialism. If you promote their cause you destroy your own ability to have freedom.

So the computer you're using was made by a company that supports the 2A? Is the operating system you're running made by a software company that doesn't support Hollywood or the left agenda? Who makes the car you drive? Do you know that company's stance? What about the stations you buy gas from? The food you eat? Do you own a Colt?

It's ridiculous for you to think that a person should base their entire lives around only supporting companies that directly support your agendas. Ridiculous because it's nigh impossible for you to ever be sure that not a single one of your dollars is going to support a candidate that wants to take your guns away.

Ever used Google? Do you know the political positions of the hosting company that provides the bandwidth for this very forum?

Understand the Muslim radicals hate us and use free speech to spread the hate. Notice the same way the democrats hate Bush and use the freedom of speech to spread the hate. There is a difference in responsible desent and fanning the flames of hatred. Hollywood has worked hard to break up the American family and now are working on the government.

You were making sense until the bit about "break up the American family". I guess if it's not your definition of "family" then it must be sinful and wrong.

You expect nothing from hollywood but opinions but they give us nothing but propaganda for the left.

Propoganda is a very subjective term.

Do you honestly believe America could exist without a military? Who would serve you if it were not for the volunteers? Try to think a bit before you reply.

And the moment it's suggested that your views might be considered propoganda as well you immediately switch the subject and attack with a ridiculous non-sequitor.

 

[Handy]

Model 25,

Your thesis seems to be that all movie makers are pushing leftist, socialist ideologies. I was just pointing out that Hollywood seems well invested in making pro-military films, like the ones I mentioned. Since you made me spell it out for you, perhaps you could now explain how what you're talking about fits with the patriotic films that are still produced.

The main stars are from Hollywood and portray us badly by the accounts given here.

The main stars of this film are Turks. Two of the antagonists/supporting characters are B list Americans. How is a movie that portrays Jews this badly an example of Hollywood propanda? I want you to REALLY think before you answer that one.

 

[model 25]

So the computer you're using was made by a company that supports the 2A?

Your point that we don't know who is pro 2nd is a failure. I know who is against the 2nd enough to spend money and that is democrats including hollywood. I choose not to buy products from them because of their stand.

As for the computor being made by gun control advocates I am useing the computor to promote guns

Base your entire life? I believe in a foundation for life and that includes survival and a gun is my best tool. Take away the tool and life won't exist for long.

I used google a couple of times but only a couple and they aren't getting enough money from me to help them keep the people of China from having the same rights you and I have.

You were making sense until the bit about "break up the American family". I guess if it's not your definition of "family" then it must be sinful and wrong.

I am sorry you don't have the ability to know the difference between back when and now. Family life went away a long time ago. Now it's just work life for most.

And the moment it's suggested that your views might be considered propoganda as well you immediately switch the subject and attack with a ridiculous non-sequitor.

Comprehension isn't tops with you so I guess you see it as an attack. Sorry I can't help you.

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[model 25]

Your thesis seems to be that all movie makers are pushing leftist, socialist ideologies. I was just pointing out that Hollywood seems well invested in making pro-military films, like the ones I mentioned. Since you made me spell it out for you, perhaps you could now explain how what you're talking about fits with the patriotic films that are still produced.

You said it yourself "investment" they have to make something people will pay to see even when it's against their views. Money talks, it always has.Then they use the money to get Hillary voted in. Is it worth it?

The main stars of this film are Turks. Two of the antagonists/supporting characters are B list Americans. How is a movie that portrays Jews this badly an example of Hollywood propanda? I want you to REALLY think before you answer that one.

The movie is made for Muslims and to star in it even in a low part is wrong because it makes us look bad. You do realize we are in a war, right. Can the hostilities cease if the inflamatory crap keeps coming out?

Let me give you an example. Cartoons come out (wonder what the artist was, lib or conservative?) that inflame the muslims to burn and kill people. Freedom of speech or responsible speech, which would have been better?


People here think the libs are for freedom of speech but looking back they used terms like "politicaly correct speech" to keep you from the truth along with tactics to tag you as a racist ,homophobe whatever to marginalize you.

Hey you guys go to the movies and enjoy the corn, no skin off my---. Wait and see what happens though

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[Redworm]

Your point that we don't know who is pro 2nd is a failure. I know who is against the 2nd enough to spend money and that is democrats including hollywood. I choose not to buy products from them because of their stand.

You still haven't answered the questions. For all you know you give more money to gun grabbing democrats each week at the grocery store than I do all year at the movies.

As for the computor being made by gun control advocates I am useing the computor to promote guns

And the money I spend on big hollywood movies promotes free speech. The first amendment is equally as important as the second.

Base your entire life? I believe in a foundation for life and that includes survival and a gun is my best tool. Take away the tool and life won't exist for long.

I guess my life doesn't revolve (no pun intended) around an inanimate object. I can accept the fact that as important as it may be to defend life, enjoying life is equally as important. You may believe that taking away your "tool" will end your life but I won't sacrifice my happiness for paranoia.

I used google a couple of times but only a couple and they aren't getting enough money from me to help them keep the people of China from having the same rights you and I have.

But Google does support mainly liberal agendas. Plus their whole issue in China is looked at the wrong way. This way people there are given the chance to circumvent the protections put in place by Beijing; without Google they wouldn't even get that chance.

I am sorry you don't have the ability to know the difference between back when and now. Family life went away a long time ago. Now it's just work life for most.

Yeah, "back when" women weren't allowed to vote, blacks went to different schools, history taught that the native americans were "savages", and the Japanese were tossed into "relocation" camps.

Again, your definition of "family" is not the authority. My family is as important to me as yours is to you despite the fact that we share no blood.

 

[model 25]

And the money I spend on big hollywood movies promotes free speech. The first amendment is equally as important as the second.

The first amendment wouldn't exist without the teeth of the 2nd. But while you are talking, who was it that came up with "hate speech"? Did they care about freedom of speech? Nope your liberal buddies only want to hear what they allow.

You still haven't answered the questions. For all you know you give more money to gun grabbing democrats each week at the grocery store than I do all year at the movies.

I have the freedom to chose what I will answer Not giving anti gunners money is kinda like a fat person on diet pop, you make cuts where you can.

I guess my life doesn't revolve (no pun intended) around an inanimate object. I can accept the fact that as important as it may be to defend life, enjoying life is equally as important. You may believe that taking away your "tool" will end your life but I won't sacrifice my happiness for paranoia.

You confuse taking care of ones self with paranoia. Liberals are incapable of taking care of themselves that is why they have socialism. They have the cops and the military to protect them and they hate them both.

The simple recognition that the gun is the best tool to defend home and family is lost on liberals, they won't sacrifice happiness learning to use one but will sacrifice their life by not knowing how.

But Google does support mainly liberal agendas. Plus their whole issue in China is looked at the wrong way. This way people there are given the chance to circumvent the protections put in place by Beijing; without Google they wouldn't even get that chance.

Yep Google is helping the Chinese socialist keep track of their people. Suppresing free speech and information. Sounds like a liberal organization to me.

Yeah, "back when" women weren't allowed to vote, blacks went to different schools, history taught that the native americans were "savages", and the Japanese were tossed into "relocation" camps.

Again, your definition of "family" is not the authority. My family is as important to me as yours is to you despite the fact that we share no blood.

All has changed just as was wanted yet is it better for women to have to work and leave their kids to grow up alone with liberal educators? Blacks still go to seperate schools only now it is by choice. Native Americans were aboriginal Savages and drifters when America was growing up. Those left have more oppertunity in this world than you do. As for the Japanese it was a liberal president that sent them to internment camps, Roosevelt.

I have no interest in your family or your idea of what family is. Nor do I want you to have it as good as I have had it. Your building your own house

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[Greg Bell]

Wow, this thread went to Hell!

 

[Redworm]

I agree and I'm sorry. I'll take it to PM because some of that really cracks me up.

 

[model 25]

Might I suggest a new thread with the differences as to how libs and cons see guns in our lives.

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[Redworm]

I have some time to kill today so here goes.

The first amendment wouldn't exist without the teeth of the 2nd. But while you are talking, who was it that came up with "hate speech"? Did they care about freedom of speech? Nope your liberal buddies only want to hear what they allow.

You mistakingly believe that liberals are my "friends" any more than conservatives are. I most certainly don't agree with the concept of "hate speech". Hate crime, on the other hand, is a different story; while everyone should be punished equally according to the crime commited it's certainly prudent to include mentions of bigotry and racism being the motives for the crime.

I have the freedom to chose what I will answer Not giving anti gunners money is kinda like a fat person on diet pop, you make cuts where you can.

You certainly do but your reluctance seems to imply that you don't know whether or not my comment is true. So for all we know you've done far more to help anti-gunners than I ever have.

Also, diet soda is worse for people than regular. It's quite counterproductive for someone trying to lose weight. I wonder if that fits into the analogy in any way.

You confuse taking care of ones self with paranoia. Liberals are incapable of taking care of themselves that is why they have socialism. They have the cops and the military to protect them and they hate them both.

The simple recognition that the gun is the best tool to defend home and family is lost on liberals, they won't sacrifice happiness learning to use one but will sacrifice their life by not knowing how.

Not necessarily. I understand the importance of taking care of ones self but when one centers his entire life on an inanimate object then I do see that as paranoia. Your right to bear arms is meaningless if it's not used in the defense of life and liberty, the latter being no less important than the former.

I do agree that liberals have the wrong idea on what makes good defense. Luckily I've managed to convince a few of the liberals I know to the contrary. There are at least four young women and three gay men at my school that are in the process of taking shooting lessons and getting their FOID cards because I took the time to explain the importance of firearms in our society.

Yep Google is helping the Chinese socialist keep track of their people. Suppresing free speech and information. Sounds like a liberal organization to me.

Not necessarily. Google had little choice in this situation. It was either conform to Beijing's rules or leave the people of China without any access to their search engine. There are a myriad of organizations out there, many of which partially funded by Google and other sources, that work to help those in China defeat and circumvent the firewalls that prevent them from accessing the full scope of the internet.

Google, like Microsoft and Yahoo, are helping to open the door. Without their agreement with China to censor the internet the people of China wouldn't even have the opportunity to get around all those ridiculous barriers. Now they at least have the chance.

All has changed just as was wanted yet is it better for women to have to work and leave their kids to grow up alone with liberal educators? Blacks still go to seperate schools only now it is by choice. Native Americans were aboriginal Savages and drifters when America was growing up. Those left have more oppertunity in this world than you do. As for the Japanese it was a liberal president that sent them to internment camps, Roosevelt.

Why do you assume that women have to take care of the kids? What's wrong with the father staying home to raise the children while the mother brings in the six figure income at the law firm or the hospital or the restaurant she runs? Why are you so adamant that women stay home and raise the children when men are just as capable and women are just as capable of earning a living as any man?

Why do you assume women should even have kids? What makes you think that all couples want children? What makes you think that a woman should even have to get married? What's wrong with her remaining single? Is Dr Rice failing society in some way by being the Sec. of State instead of puttering around the house abrefoot and pregnant? Or do you just believe that a woman's place is the kitchen?

Some men fail to understand that women are equally as able to support families. They are no less intelligent and no less capable of doing any job that any man can do. Some men are simply too insecure to accept that fact.

There are many schools in the nation that have high black populations but not a single one restricts the student body to only blacks. You'll find whites at FAMU and Bethune-Cookman just as you'll find blacks at UGA and Embry-Riddle. In either case schools are no longer segregated which at one time was considered by the whites of the country to be the "moral" thing that conformed with "traditional family values". The point being that just because things were done a certain way fifty years ago does not mean they were right.

Your comment on the natives is rife with bigotry and racism. Thanks for showing your true colors.

It doesn't matter whether or not Roosevelt was liberal or conservative (because both sides are equally as guilty of American atrocities); what matters is that at the time it was considered the right thing to do and again shows how just because you and the other people raised in your time think something is right doesn't make it so.

I have no interest in your family or your idea of what family is. Nor do I want you to have it as good as I have had it. Your building your own house

And thus the anthem of the selfish conservative: "freedom of speech for me, freedom of religion for me, my right to bear arms, my right to decide how you ought to live."

Refusing to accept the views of others on family is an example of ignorance and bigotry. Saying that you don't want me to "have it as good" as you have is an example of the selfishness you hate about liberals. It's a good thing your views don't represent those of most conservatives because otherwise you'd be giving them a very bad name. Y'know it's not a good thing when you remind others of Archie Bunker.

and in response to one thing I found interesting

The USA has competition called politics of "I am right" and the political parties battle it out. Who is right? Well first we have to know who we are and not deny it to others. If you read back at our post you will see that I said liberals like to tag you with a racist,bigot, homophobe tag to marginalize what you say.

a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices

The two comments I reponded to with that claim fit the definition. Walks like a duck, quacks like a duck.

Though I haven't called anyone a homophobe. I highly doubt most people who get called that are genuinely afraid of gays and homosexuality but then again I'm sure there are quite a number of pathetically frightened individuals who do fit the description. But I still haven't used it because I don't think it's accurate. The racism, on the other hand, does fit. The bigotry I'm probably easily guilty of myself but at least I attempt to understand the views of others instead of simply going "You've been taught by liberals, you're scum and I'm right!"

 

[carbiner]

Back to the thread, movie makers should state at the beggining of the film what their objective is. Then the the viewer can make their own decision.

Brokeback Mountain was a great example of Hollywood and the Media joining together to create a false reality. I noticed the liberals hurled their usual invective at anyone who dared to speak freely against the movie. Trying to give the illusion that this type of movie is the norm.

Liberals never will admitt to propaganda, it's all they have left.

 

[Redworm]

Don't see why they should state what their objective is...it's up to the viewer to make their own decision as to what the movie's objective is. Some people think the two Matrix sequels were made to cash in on the first one, some people think it was to finish the story what the brothers wanted to tell. Regardless if the latter is true or not it's what the brother's claim. Given that, if they start the movie what that tagline how does that alter what the people in the first group are going to believe?

Why should that movie play to the norm? The whole point was to show a different side, to show something that people found unusual. You may not like the idea of gay cowboys but they most certainly do exist. I don't see what's so "false" about it. The movie doesn't show every cowboy being gay, it doesn't show everyone freely accepting their choices, it doesn't show them trying to "convert" others, it doesn't claim that heterosexuality is evil, it does nothing more than show another aspect of life, both in cowboys and in homosexuality.

Did you watch the movie?

I saw a commercial for Pace Picante sauce last night where they pointed out a cowboy using a hair dryer on a horse and giving it highlights! Cracked me up.

 

[Gary Conner]

That movie couldn't do half as much harm than Helen Thomas and David Gregory manage to pull off during a standard White House press conference.

For that matter, John Kerry did more harm on Meet the Press, when he stated that American soldiers in Iraq were terrorizing women and children.

A movie like that, is just standard bash America stuff.

The true damage comes from treasonous statements from Senators and prominent media figures when spewing lies and false accusations regarding American servicemen.