Anyone heard about this anti US movie

[carbiner]

They enjoyed portraying the American cowboy in a humililiating way, and found it to be amusing. Just as they portray American soldiers as the bad guys of the world. They hated Passion of the Christ, and papers such as the NYT gave it a negative review from a far left wing ideology, because NYT hates Chistianity. Yet the gay cowboy movie portrayed the devastation of two hetro American familys and glorified it with homosexuality. Once again the NYT loved it.

The good news is most of these anti American, anti family and anti gun movies don't do very good at the box office.

 

[Redworm]

They enjoyed portraying the American cowboy in a humililiating way, and found it to be amusing. Just as they portray American soldiers as the bad guys of the world. They hated Passion of the Christ, and papers such as the NYT gave it a negative review from a far left wing ideology, because NYT hates Chistianity. Yet the gay cowboy movie portrayed the devastation of two hetro American familys and glorified it with homosexuality. Once again the NYT loved it.

Perhaps you consider the idea of a cowboy being gay as humiliating but the creators of that movie were most certainly not trying to make a joke of it (despite the many hilarious ones that inevitably occured). Gay cowboys exist whether you like it or not (and they're just as good at their job as the straight cowboys!). Any "devastation" of the families was caused by intolerance of the choices of the two lead characters.

Passion of the Christ, a great movie if looked at as nothing more than a gore-fest, was a very loose interpretation of a story for Gibson to show his antisemitism. I have no idea what the Times thought of it but hey, they're free to have their opinion.

The good news is most of these anti American, anti family and anti gun movies don't do very good at the box office.

How do you figure that? And if you could define "anti family" that'd be awesome.

 

[carbiner]

Read the book "Bias" by Bernard Goldberg. He worked as a CBS news corespondent for 20 years. It defines the anti American family agenda of the new Liberal. It is only one of many great reads on the crooked media. I'm not goig to get too indepth because the large majority of Americans see this liberal filth in the media more and more each day. They don't by into it like they used to and you know it. The left has always depended on major media/television to gradually infect society with it's liberal agenda.

Talk radio, tv news, papers, books, internet and other sources of information are out their challanging the liberals now. The liberal monopoly on information has been broken and the libs are mad. They are showing their true side, hyprocricy, intolerance, extreme and sudden bouts of mental instabilility, and losing touch with the real world around them.

 

[Redworm]

That's all cool and dandy but it still doesn't explain what "anti family" means. Can you give me some examples?

 

[carbiner]

Outlawing prayer, denouncing Christmas and Christianity as foolish beliefs, radical feminism, abortion,
pushing evolution, pro homosexual/transgender,single motherhood, pro divorce agendas. And now, anti Qual hunting. Many of the above are todays general themes in daily TV, Gloria Steinam, and NOW, both extreme left wing feminists, praised the concept of the "Womens Magazine" as a great way to Quietly Change the Way women THOUGHT accross America.

A small sample of liberalism and the carnage it has unleashed on a pro family/christian society.

Achieved thru movies/media/television. But now they have stepped it up in the education dept. Young minds are easy wash out.

Liberals are finding it harder to hornshwaggle adults. Grade schools and college campuses have become the new breeding grounds for liberal/marxism.

 

[squrm]

Wow carbiner, you made me even jump in now...lets go-

The right to prayer isn't outlawed. Requiring prayer is.

Cristmas and christianity ARE fooling beliefs...anyone that thinks that a married Mary gave birth without having been broken in first is in denial. And christmas IS about the money. It's soul is gone...doesn't mean that i won't give my son x-mas anymore, just means that i'll be more prone to slapping anyone giving me crap about sayin happy holidays instead of merry godmas. (and xmas+newyears=plural=more than 1 holiday anyway, mr o'reilly)

Woman are still mainly limited to taking our calls and sitting pretty...if they want to shoot for the stars, why not. Besides, feminists are hot.

If you wanna ban abortion you better be ready to outlaw coathangers too...If everyone would put as much effort into showing graphic photos to middle schoolers as much helping people adopt...who knows.

pushing evolution?? are you serious? Kids don't care about evolution or creationism...it's just another class till recess. How we got here isn't nearly as important as leaning something relavent like dealing with life experiences...lets solve everything in one big swoop...loose life science and bring back civics.

As for the gay issues, what other people do behind their closed doors that doesn't hurt anyone is less than none of your business...They're in all our familys, and the more you fight it the more you look like a close minded bumpkin. If 2 people want to ruin their lives by getting married then more power to them. Just sit back and laugh...

Single Motherhood sucks, nobody wants this...nobody's pushing this as an agenda...same for pro divorce stuff.

Of all the things you named being in danger for our familys, none of those are REAL. I repeat-THEY DON'T MATTER.

you think that adults are any less prone to hornshwaggle?? Wow, you've been hornswaggled better than the rest of us. the reason that schools and campuses are the breeding grounds of liberal marxism (as you put it) is due to the fact that it's the younger generation that usually knows what's going on. Most adults are too busy working to read while us kids have nothing better to do than see what's going on and talk about it. I bet you were part of the origional 60% that believed the ties between iraq & alqaeda...or that there were weapons...and us kids are the ones with our heads up our...??


All I can say is be better informed about the crap you spew...turn off fox, turn off cnn, turn off cbs/abc and read a paper...better yet, read an international paper (that means a paper that is for the whole world) and get a clue about what's going on man. I can't stand the effects of our nationwide media blackout by the corporations...it's costing us dearly.

 

[carbiner]

Wow....

I see they got too you.

 

[squrm]

And ya know what else? Gary Busey was never even a second rate actor but i respect him a whole hell of a lot more cuz he had the balls to do what he did. I don't know about the jewish organ harvesting but i'd heard reports in afganistan about a couple of whole villages being transported via 18wheeler and that when they couldn't breath, holes were shot into the back of the truck...supposedly supported my an international physician organization...on one hand prob total bull hockey...on the other hand if i were in afganistan after 9/11 i may have been inclined to help them breath in a similar manner...on the other other hand if any incident (or similar incident involving the eradication of whole afgan towns) HAD happened, would you really be suprised? I'd bet all kinda of sh*t happens way over there with nobody watching...especially when those in charge seemingly don't know right from wrong...to have the pres flatly stating that we don't torture while in the same breath the vp is lobbying congress for the right...and when mccain and congress prevailed, they amended the army handbook with an umpteen page classified anendum...glad to know that our government does what it has to to get the job done.

 

[squrm]

If ignorance is bliss, tis folly to be wise

 

[carbiner]

International news is hardly a credible, much less believable source.

Unless you were just kidding.

 

[squrm]

I'd take the guardian's word vs fox anyday...I keep telling my grandmother all that fox news is bad for her...poor lady still has her head stuck in the sand...I can't stand the general lack of public knowledge regarding simple facts...There were no wmds (save 20 years ago when we gave him some...nevermind), no al qaeda in iraq (till we got there), having cheney in charge=a real websters definition of fascism, and almost every faucet of government has been corrupted (further....worse than usual) and we still have 3 years to let them do their worst. Fear is being marketed wholesale to the public. What ever happened to 'nothing to fear but fear itself'...that's been replaced with a color coded chart to show how afraid you should be today.

but ya know what...i'm tired of trying. So ya know what, you're right. Those damn liberals have been in charge too long and it's high time to stick it to them and not let them boss us around ANYMORE! We should take over all of congress, the whitehouse, AND the suprememe court...then we can drive those crazy peaceloving yuppies all the way to the coast...or both of them...yeah, that's it. We'll put them all in new england and kalifornia, then we'll have the rest to ourselves...yeah, that's it. And everything else is fine, just trust in our fearless leaders...sig heil.

 

[carbiner]

Your grandmother has been around longer than you and has seen alot more change,be it good or bad. You might want to consider that. Calling people ignorant and accusing them of having their head in the sand only shows your own closed mindedness. The international community generated their own negative view of the USA.

The USA has shown the world how to go from sticks and stones to the most advanced and free country this planet has ever known. And in a short time I might add.

Yet all the nay sayers can do is try to make negative movies and use half truths and propaganda to make this great free land look bad.

 

[squrm]

The intl community NEVER generated a negative view of the usa, just of Bush. My grandmother hasn't seen a paper since my grandfather died (bout 10 years ago). She watches the stock ticker and fox news...bout it. She continues to like bush because he was charming (was, ever seen a picture of bush first entering office sidebyside with one of him now? wow). And republican. That's about it. When it comes to cooking or takin care of your family, her wisdom is as bountiful as...oil in the middle east. But when it comes down to current events or knowing what's going on...she's a little behind.

With regards to sticks n stones to rockets ships-what's the point of being so advanced if we still can't pick a f'n war worth bein in. I'm the first male of my family (going back several generations) who hasn't gone and enlisted. I hate that fact. It's been ingrained into my being the idea of going somewhere and doing harm to someone who REALLY needs it...and won't because we gave a cokehead and a coporate suit the keys to the country and i'm not going where they're going.

says you: "Yet all the nay sayers can do is try to make negative movies and use half truths and propaganda to make this great free land look bad."

says me: The only thing that's making this 'great free land' look bad are the one's serving up the half truths and propaganda to begin with.

 

[model 25]

Re: Archie Bunker here

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I don't PM discussion, I only post in full view of others. Go ahead and post your views and I will reply in kind. Your freedom of speech in a public forum is important to you.

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there's my dilemma, same one I had with rebar I am happy to have this discussion in the public forum but I don't want to be rude and skew that thread so offtopic that it gets closed

freedom of speech is wonderful but I don't want to step on toes on a privately owned forum. I've learned many things about firearms from this forum (including from you! ), the expreriences y'all share have taught me more about firearm safety than I the NRA classes

also, I understand that we're from different times and in many ways somewhat different cultures so I'm not expecting to change your mind. but it is fun to discuss issues that I can see we're both passionate about. I think I'll ask a staff member if I can continue this debate in that thread without getting it locked

the Archie Bunker reference was in jest, by the way we may disagree but I do have a modicum of respect for you from what I've read in the other subforums that deal strictly with guns

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An open forum gives others a chance to see the differences in us all, I am unafraid to show people how I think and it makes no difference if people dissagree. People are like that, they don't agree because we live with the "I am right" in there life.

The USA has competition called politics of "I am right" and the political parties battle it out. Who is right? Well first we have to know who we are and not deny it to others. If you read back at our post you will see that I said liberals like to tag you with a racist,bigot, homophobe tag to marginalize what you say.

You sent me a PM with all that in it. So you live up to what I say liberals are. I don't like that behavior in private or public. Truth in conversation is paramount to all of us. If you don't want to use the public forum then you avoid having to speak the truth.

There is no concern about skewing the thread as we are just showing the differences of the way you think and I think. You represent a liberal education and thinking and I don't, it is that simple and people should see those differences in a country with free speech. People need to see how those who take away our guns think, emotion or logic.

You made several comments that deserve reply in those PMs and I hate to see you go to all the typing and others not read it It isn't about you and me and over the net nothing is personal to me. I am a man who never says anything here I wouldn't say to your face So open forum if you want to continue.

Or a new thread on the way dems an conservatives see guns and our lives in discussion.

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Some people leave out half the story so I decided since Redworm printed PMs in a public forum that I would let you read all of it unedited and let you make up your own minds.

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[model 25]

I wish you guys would get it right, they were sheep herders not cowboys. Same as the difference between sheep herders and cow men is the difference of true liberals and true conservatives, they never got along. (do you know why?)

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[Redworm]

Some people leave out half the story so I decided since Redworm printed PMs in a public forum that I would let you read all of it unedited and let you make up your own minds.

I didn't leave out anything that made you look bad. I took a snippet from your post because I was unsure if you'd want the entire thing posted. That was the only part of it that my reply really applied to. I assumed too much.

But no worries, it doesn't change anything I said.

 

[Redworm]

Wow....

I see they got too you.

hehehe, you and model 25 are like twins. any opinion that goes against your bible thumping is considered "brainwashing"

loose life science and bring back civics.

I agree with you on most things except that. Science is just as important as any other subject. Science (along with math) teaches the one thing that neither english, history, economics, health class, writing, american lit or any other class can teach nearly as well: critical thinking. Every other class allows opinions while science is about facts and the best possible way to ascertain them. Some of the qualities children are sorely lacking these days is the ability to gather facts, make supportable hypotheses, and to experiment, observe, and document events in order to learn more about them.

Calling people ignorant and accusing them of having their head in the sand only shows your own closed mindedness.

so this:

Wow....

I see they got too you.

doesn't count?

 

[Redworm]

Outlawing prayer,

Where has it been outlawed? Can you provide examples of people being arrested for paying? Compelling others to pray is another story. That's just not right.

denouncing Christmas and Christianity as foolish beliefs,

While the government is not allowed to do this (nor should be nor hasn't done in the first place) people who make movies, tv shows, write books and magazines are FREE to denounce Christmas and Christianity as foolish beliefs. Just as many Christians would denounce Buddhism and Hinduism and Islam and Paganism as foolish beliefs. If someone wants to call your religion some names you have no legal recourse. The same should go for any religion.

radical feminism,

I don't like man-hating feminism, which is certainly radical, but I get the feeling that women being told "You don't have to have a man support you.", "You can do any job a man can do just as well.", "You're not required to plop out kids for some misogynist tradition." is seen by many men as "radical". Some guys think women belong in the kitchen.

abortion,

lol won't go there

pushing evolution,

Pushing science. Science is what allowed America to bring the world the advancement you're so proud of. Science is where medicine comes from, science is where the Apollo missions came from, science is where all that cool military technology comes from, science is where your precious firearms come from. Without science human advancement is not possible.

pro homosexual/transgender,

It's not being pushed on others but it's important that people who make those choices not be persecuted any more than people who choose to worship different dieties or mulitple dieties or whatever. Special priveldges should not be allowed but that's not the goal of the majority of people who choose those lifestyles any more than a bloody revolution is the goal of gun owners.

single motherhood,

Women are being told that they do not have to rely on a man to support a family. Single fatherhood is as crucial an issue; neither one is overly appealing to anyone but those who are faced with the situation can certainly benefit from being told the truth, that they're capable of raising good children on their own.

pro divorce agendas.

The divorce thing is funny because so many people are against gay marriage because it ruins that "sanctity of the insititution" while none of those people are looking for a constitutional band on divorce.

And now, anti Qual hunting.

hehe, cute

 

[model 25]

Not necessarily. I understand the importance of taking care of ones self but when one centers his entire life on an inanimate object then I do see that as paranoia. Your right to bear arms is meaningless if it's not used in the defense of life and liberty, the latter being no less important than the former.

I do agree that liberals have the wrong idea on what makes good defense. Luckily I've managed to convince a few of the liberals I know to the contrary. There are at least four young women and three gay men at my school that are in the process of taking shooting lessons and getting their FOID cards because I took the time to explain the importance of firearms in our society.

YYYYAAAAWWWWWWNNNNNN geez I am tired but the coffee is good and it's time to post Your understanding must be limited if you see being good at carrying a gun as paranoid. Some people do the best job they can when they realize what one mistake can cost. Survival is the goal and putting out best effort is the way to give yourself the best chance. However if you never venture out into the world then the threats you face are just of your own making.

Your friends at school (liberal education ) are probably in more need of a gun than I am. They , by your discription, are more likely to be victims than I am. If they had common sense and looked at the world we live in you wouldn't have to lead them to carry a gun. Without common sense people are more likely to hurt themselves than to protect themselves. I do applaud your effort in starting the learning process.

Now that you have given them the information do you feel any responsibility to help them learn gun safety?

Google, like Microsoft and Yahoo, are helping to open the door. Without their agreement with China to censor the internet the people of China wouldn't even have the opportunity to get around all those ridiculous barriers. Now they at least have the chance.

The real goal of those companies is to make money and they are willing to trample the Chinese people to do it. These computors hold alot of information about the users and with the companies help they will control the thought process of the Chinese.

China has a long history of abusing it's people and the only reason they want the net is to increase productivity to gain more power. There army grows at the rate of 20% a year and they use all the money and technology we send them to make that happen. By 2008 they will have the most modern army in the world and bigger than ours. It is a fool that pays for their own destruction and America is very foolish.

Some men fail to understand that women are equally as able to support families. They are no less intelligent and no less capable of doing any job that any man can do. Some men are simply too insecure to accept that fact.

The difference in you and me is I have seen the effect on women and our society as the new ways were put in. Alot has happened and not all of it good for women. See women moved into the heavy work because that is were the money is if you don't have an education. I have seen more suffer serious medical problems associated with heavy work and most ended up spending their hard earned money on medical bills.

Plus while the women moved into the workforce it caused inflation so a house that used to cost 17,000 now cost 170,000 making it all but impossible of an un-educated women to make a livng much less have the choice of raising a family. The life given them gives them no choice but to work now and choice is what they always scream about.

In either case schools are no longer segregated which at one time was considered by the whites of the country to be the "moral" thing that conformed with "traditional family values". The point being that just because things were done a certain way fifty years ago does not mean they were right.

Your comment on the natives is rife with bigotry and racism. Thanks for showing your true colors.

I got to admit you follow the liberal line to the toe Brand them as a racist and bigot and thus keep them marginalized. Silly game that makes difficult issues hard to discuss because you use name calling for your side of the disscussion.

Because you haven't seen the difference in the world in the last fifty years you don't know if it is better now or not. Conservative means you hang on to the best things in life and make changes that really work for the purpose you intend. Not social expearments that destroy the fabric of society along with the economy.

The freedom and help given to the Blacks has helped alot of them to better their condition in some areas. In other areas you see some of the worst living conditions in the USA. I blame this on the Liberals. I have seen the Blacks pushed into gehtos they can never get out of along with drug addictions and the break up of their families that the statistics show is down right a crime. It is shamefull but the Liberals set up the system and there is nothing but pain comming from it for too many blacks.

I have lived and worked with many Native Americans, I don't believe you know anthing about them so conversation about going from uncivilized nomads to where we are today won't be productive.

And thus the anthem of the selfish conservative: "freedom of speech for me, freedom of religion for me, my right to bear arms, my right to decide how you ought to live."

Finally as this post is too long I am going to point out one last item. It is all about self, it starts with self and ends with self. If I don't take care of self then I can't take care of anything or anyone else. You develope yourself into the best your body will let you and bring others along with you. They choose to go as a community in a direction that is best for the majority or themselves but even just taking care of yourself is better than living off of the hard work of others.

You and me we are all self centered and we all do what is best for number 1. So again your name calling should give you reason to look in the mirror as you do it.

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[model 25]

hehehe, you and model 25 are like twins. any opinion that goes against your bible thumping is considered "brainwashing"

Opinion is developed by gathering the facts and the fact is that todays liberal education is very low quality. Your words

Some of the qualities children are sorely lacking these days is the ability to gather facts, make supportable hypotheses, and to experiment, observe, and document events in order to learn more about them.

show your opinion of todays kids yet you fail to point out is their liberal education that focuses on social rather than reasoning power. There is a problem in the school system and you can see it even as a liberal but you don't hold the educators responsible for their choice to destroy our kids.

The future holds fierce competition for our society and rather than buckle up for it the liberals are taking the USA on a social adventure that will have bad consequences. It allready has with drug addiction and social spending without resposibility. I am glad I won't be alive to see what is going to happen to the country I love and I am sorry my family is going to go through the hell the Liberals have set us up for. It all works out in the end though

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