Anyone heard about this anti US movie

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"Valley of the Wolves Iraq"? Billy Zane and Gary Busey "star" in the trashing of the US and its military. Once again the Hollywood left says and does nothing. I really don't see how anybody that calls themselves American could have anything to do with this movie?!:mad:
 
Freedom of speech is freedom of speech even if we don't like the message. Maybe this will open the eyes of people who believe that the US military can do no wrong and that only honorable men serve under the red, white, & blue.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valley_of_the_Wolves_Iraq

I'm very interested in seeing it. Seems like it'll be quite biased and controversial but then again it will be nice to see a different point of view. Only people that are unable to back up their convictions are afraid to have them challenged.

edit: hm, just reread that and realize how it sounds :p don't get me wrong, I'm not bashing the military or all the folks in it. but a movie like this isn't completely made up and some of our people do bad things and a few are just all around bad people :(
 
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Redworm

You are absolutely right about freedom of speech.

When can we expect Hollywood's next pro military, pro American, anti Jihadist movie?
 
I am not surprised, first of many to come.

It will be interesting to see how many Turkish embassy's will be burned by Americans and people shot over it. :rolleyes:

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Redworm: What's your source of information that the movie's "not completely made up?" You think the Oliver Stone version of the Kennedy assasination wasn't "completely made up?" Gimme a break!
 
When can we expect Hollywood's next pro military, pro American, anti Jihadist movie?
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Are you really looking for a list? Hollywood constantly releases movies that are at least two if not all three.

It sounds like this film might be a nice break from crap like "Behind Enemy Lines" and "Stealth".


Making films about the grungy underside of war is nothing new, nor does it even need to be politically motivated. People know they're watching the exception, not the rule. No one saw M*A*S*H and believed the Korean War was a lot of fun.
 
Busey and Zane must be seriously desperate for work. Apparently there is a Jewish Doctor in the movie stealing body parts. This is just another variation on the classic stereotype of the blood drinking Jew. Great.:rolleyes:
 
Redworm---Freedom of speech is freedom of speech even if we don't like the message



Hmm, I guess this must only apply to movies, books, art etc...because if anyone expressed the kind of feelings shown in the movie for example on this forum, they would be derided and chastized for saying them?!:rolleyes: I can see it now--an anti gun movie is OK because--well it's a movie but if someone ever came into this forum and expressed those same feelings about guns they would be blasted to no end---you know it and I know it.
 
Sometimes people are derided and chastised unfairly on this forum.


What I don't understand is why this forum is the right place to complain about every little thing in the world that offends one's sensibilities. This film is not going to do any more damage to the US than there already is, so what's the point getting upset about it?

Naughty words, contraversial films, the French, unorthodox living arrangements and crabby store clerks are facts of life; not signs of the coming apocolypse.


Patriotism is a quality in one's heart, not a standard to be enforced.
 
Redworm: What's your source of information that the movie's "not completely made up?" You think the Oliver Stone version of the Kennedy assasination wasn't "completely made up?" Gimme a break!
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:confused: the fact that the events in the movie actually took place...that the "hood event" actually did occur

It may not be an accurate representation of that event - like Stone's "JFK" - but that doesn't change the fact that the event actually occured. Maybe we'll see a fairly accurate protrayal, maybe not. Part of the reason I want to see the movie is to see how true to life it really is. Just because Stone made up his own conspiracy theory for JFK doesn't mean that Kennedy wasn't assasinated.

Hmm, I guess this must only apply to movies, books, art etc...because if anyone expressed the kind of feelings shown in the movie for example on this forum, they would be derided and chastized for saying them?! I can see it now--an anti gun movie is OK because--well it's a movie but if someone ever came into this forum and expressed those same feelings about guns they would be blasted to no end---you know it and I know it.
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You post on this forum with the knowledge that certain rules must be followed. This is not a place that is collectively owned by all members of the forum, it's not public property. The server this forum runs on is privately owned as is the license for the front end software and the database itself. Freedom of speech does not apply to private mediums; do you think you can go to CNN and demand to be given ten minutes on air to express your opinions? Of course not because you don't own the company.

Also, chastizing and deriding someone for their opinions is also a form of freedom of speech. I once debated in a thread with someone about some of the very issues brought up by this movie; he insisted that all men that serve in the military are honorable and just, I claimed otherwise. I was chastized and derided for expressing that opinion but I was not silenced by any of the Staff.

Have any anti-gun folk come onto this forum to express their opinions only to be silenced and punished?
 
This reminds me of the old porno movies where they would do something "artistic" somewhere in the movie to beat the obscenity statutes. Just because a movie happens to make a faint point does not make it worth the film it was made on. I am open to criticism of the United States and its military. Hell, criticism makes you either change or develop better arguments. But when you dress up an outrageous piece of anti-Jewish, anti-American propaganda with a tissue-thin pretext--I still call it crap.
 
Freedom of speech is freedom of speech even if we don't like the message.
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That's true...........but I don't waste my time standing around listening to looney speeches and I don't spend my money on anti-American propaganda.

Let's celebrate "freedom of speech" and discuss the medias right to post poitical cartoons depicting Mohammed in support of terrorists. Or doesn't that qualify?
 
Also, chastizing and deriding someone for their opinions is also a form of freedom of speech. I once debated in a thread with someone about some of the very issues brought up by this movie; he insisted that all men that serve in the military are honorable and just, I claimed otherwise. I was chastized and derided for expressing that opinion but I was not silenced by any of the Staff.
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Sometime people marginalizes themselves in the group. Words spoken tag you as a fool in a group that dissagrees with you so you are given all you need to prove it. Having been to Iraq and seen our people there at work I know that the majority of our people are the best in the world. To defame them all with the acts of a few doesn't show much character.

Freedom of speech is great but the ability to not have to listen is the best right we have. Paying left wing hollywood for the smut they put out just takes away your guns in the long run.

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Maybe we'll see a fairly accurate protrayal, maybe not.
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Are you serious? You're actually waiting to see if it's a "fair" portrayal when there is crap like this in it?:

They kill dozens of innocent people with random machine gun fire, shoot the groom in the head, and drag those left alive to Abu Ghraib prison - where a Jewish doctor cuts out their organs, which he sells to rich people in New York, London and Tel Aviv.
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Yeah, I'm sure it's gonna be chock full of factual events.
 
the fact that the events in the movie actually took place...that the "hood event" actually did occur

It may not be an accurate representation of that event - like Stone's "JFK" - but that doesn't change the fact that the event actually occured. Maybe we'll see a fairly accurate protrayal, maybe not.
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Did one of the inadvertently captured Turks kill himself? No. So everything from then on it (the Turkish mission of revenge, the American officer killing for God, the Jewish doctor harvesting body parts) is BS.

One event in the movie took place. None of the others did. So to even suggest that it's an accurate depiction of anything is rather . . . interesting. How can a work of fiction be an accurate depiction of anything, unless of course you believe this crap really happened. Which, outside of the initial event, is completely false.

Then again, Raiders of the Lost Ark had Nazis in it, and Nazis existed, so I guess the Ark is in a gov't storage facility somewhere. Time to go look for Indiana Jones' biography.
 
Having been to Iraq and seen our people there at work I know that the majority of our people are the best in the world. To defame them all with the acts of a few doesn't show much character.

Freedom of speech is great but the ability to not have to listen is the best right we have.
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You excercised that to the fullest extent if you believe I "defamed them all". It's more effective to comprehend what a person actually says instead of what you want to believe they said.

Yeah, I'm sure it's gonna be chock full of factual events.
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You're claiming those acts have never occured?

Did one of the inadvertently captured Turks kill himself? No.
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Sure about that?
 
Handy--This film is not going to do any more damage to the US than there already is, so what's the point getting upset about it?


The film will be garbage anti US propaganda. I think the more upsetting thing is the fact that they found 2 American actors willing to participate in this propaganda! Can you imagine some big name actor doing propaganda films for Hitler---only to have people say it's a freedom of speech issue? This is/was a chance for other Hollywood lefts to decry other actors participating in such an endeavor.:mad:
 
It's more effective to comprehend what a person actually says instead of what you want to believe they said.
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There is no problem with comprehension of what you write, you are left of center. So is Hollywood.

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