Anyone else dislike .270 Win & .300 Magnums??

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You can't make a "Texas heart shot" with a weak little ol' .270, now can you?;) Glass that .300 in a Hogue stock. You'll appreciate it lots more, and it should shoot just as accurately. Lack of bullet selection is what has always killed the .270 for me. If I weren't a7mmnut, I'd be a.280fanatic. I started with the tried and true '06, and just may finish the very same way. I do love each caliber having its own characteristics. My aim is to own at least one of each.:D

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I find it odd that you feel so strongly against a cartridge, to the point to say you 'hate' it, yet you have no idea why. I can think of very few things in life that I would say I hate, and of those things, I can most definately tell you why that is.
 
jgcoastie's own words, "Hate", "despise", vehemently against", apply to the .25-06, for me. It's such a useless, over-bore cartridge.

The .270 is far from efficient. Standard velocities for the .270 Winchester could be achieved with far less powder, in a smaller case (.270-308, .270 Roberts, etc ;)). But the .25-06 is even worse. It's horribly over-bore. Bullet selection is crap. And all the owners think owning a .25-06 gives them the right to pee in everyone else's Cheerios. I don't know where the attitude comes from, but I only ever notice .25-06 (and .257 Weatherby) owners doing it.


I love my .270 Win; and often wish for slightly better bullet selection (such as 7mm or .30 caliber). But... I'm glad it's not a .25 caliber.

There are more bullets available in .25 caliber, than .277", but the usefulness is limited. There is so much of a velocity spread between all the .25s, that there are only a handful of bullets appropriate for any given cartridge. From the .25-20 and .25-35, to the .250-3000 and .257 Roberts, to .25-06, to .25 WSSM and .257 Weatherby, there is just too much disparity in velocity ranges. Useful bullet selection sucks.

The .270 Win is outdated, inefficient, and arguably obsolete. ...But so are the .30-30, .30-06, .300 WM, 7mm Rem Mag, and nearly any other cartridge you can think of, from the first 70 years of the 20th century (and a few decades in the 19th century).

Nearly everything we shoot today was created with other powders, bullets, and metallurgy in mind. Yet, we still shoot these cartridges, because they get the job done (and there are so many older firearms still going strong).

When it comes to efficiency, taking a step back in time, nearly 100 years, is becoming more appropriate than ever. For example: With modern firearms and powders, the .30-40 Krag is a much better .30 caliber cartridge than the venerable .30-06. It's efficient, strong, can reach '06 performance levels with modern powders, cheaper to load, and cheaper to manufacture (assuming mass production, and based on being a rimmed design - which allows looser tolerances in case body shape during production). Yea, the .308 can do it, too, but who wants that worthless cartridge? ;)

As much as I dislike the .25-06, I won't tell you to stop shooting it. If that's what you want; that's what you should use. I'll stick with my .270 Win, .30-40 Krag, .327 Federal, and keep debating whether I should continue with my .270 Krag and 9x54R.


Can you tell I'm not a .270 fan? Why? I get sick of a bunch of guys pushing a caliber on people that really isn't all that fantastic. You see it at gun shops, you see it on the internet, and you see it at the range -someone claiming that the .270 is the best round in the world. The .270 can kill as well as most hunting rounds, but it really doesn't do anything that special. It gets way more hype than it deserves.
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I feel exactly the same way about the .30-06, 7mm Rem Mag, .338 Win Mag.... Oh, the list will go on forever. You name a cartridge that gets a lot of "it's the greatest thing since smokeless powders" hype, and I feel the same way.


Find something you like, that does the job you need it to do. It's that simple.
 
The .270 Win is a rifleman's cartridge, especially for those who handload. It's under-loaded as a factory round because there are so many older rifles chambered for it that may not be in the best of shape.

How can a hunter who can hit a deer out to 450 yards not like a .270 Win, handloaded to 3,200 fps with 130 grain boat-tail bullets. It has more punch than a .25-06, but better trajectory than a 30-06. Sighted-in by the rule of threes, it stays no more than 3" high or low out to 320 yards!

If you can't see or hit deer beyond 300 yards, the 30-06 will probably be a better cartridge, especially in the woods. At any range, the .25-06 with 120 grain bullets or greater is inferior to the .270 Win in energy and trajectory, but shoots flatter with lighter varmint bullets. That's not just my opinion. Check it out in the handloading manuals and ballistic software.

The .25-06 probably stays on the shelves longer than any used "deer caliber" bolt actions in Maine. People express fear that the barrels are shot out by hot varmint handloads, while used .270s seem to fly off the shelves!
 
I don't care for a .270. but I cant really say I hate them. I traded for one once and even bought a box of cartridges but I never shot it. Now a 5.56 or a .243 I heartily despise.:D
 
See, Im a little different. I really love the .270 cartridge. I have a Rem 700 in .270 and its a great rifle. I also have a 30-06 thats a great rifle. I, unlike you dont have any use or care to own either a 25-06 or .260. Funny how everyone is different and has different likes and dislikes.
 
I am not a guide,but I expect if I was a guide,If a client showed up with a .270,I'd likely think we were going to have a good hunt.
It is a "talk is cheap" cartridge.
 
I have no problems with the 270. Close to 40 years ago when I was deciding which rifle to choose as my 1st big game rifle I was stuck between 270, 308 and 30-06. I went to one of my high school teachers who was my scout master and a big hunter and sought his advice.

He made my decision easy when he informed me that he had several thousand rounds of military surplus 30-06 ammo and I was welcome to all I could shoot.

I've owned several hundred rifles in my life and only 1 was chambered in 270. I bought it from a guy who needed cash NOW for $200 and sold it the next day at a gunshow for $350. Nothing at all wrong with the round, but it doesn't offer me enough advantage over the 30-06 for me to own both. If I'd started with the 270 I'd probably feel the same about a 30-06.

I've settled on the 7mm rem mag for longer range work. I see this as a much better long range round then either the 270 or 300 mags. I've owned a couple of 300's and they simply don't shoot as flat as the 7mm mags. They do hit a little harder at long range, but any animal suitable to hunt with a 300 mag will die just as easily with the softer recoiling, flatter shooting 7 mags. I don't see any place for the 300 mags. If I need something that hits harder than a 30-06 or 7mm mag., I need to step to a larger calber.
 
But I think I actually hate the .270 Win.
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If so, you have issues......


Glocks don't appeal to me, but I don't "hate" them.

Unfounded, unreasoning hatred ...... is ...... maybe something you need to talk to a proffesional about. The kind that can get you committed ..... totally.


While "my" rifle is a .270, I did not get to hunt with it last year- Eldest daughter appropriated it. She has her own rifle, but her little sister Jac took hers...... I got stuck with the Bubba'd 8mil Commission Rifle...... the things you do for your kiddoes...... but I digress..

Seriously, I am looking hard at getting a .260 Remmy ..... hopefully in a model 7, though I'd love to take Ruger's new Scout Rifle and re-barrel it to .260 with a 20 inch barrel threaded for a can...... What? I can dream can't I?
 
Porcupine to moose, using 130 grain bullets. Of course my uncle didn't know the gun was inaccurate, underpowered, ineffective or a waste of space in the gun world. He bought his gun right after Korea was done with and happily killed deer from the North woods of Wisconsin to the plains of North Dakota with it. (Moose was his one Canada trip) Poor guy, he died without ever knowing it was a useless despised caliber.

Can't honestly say about 300 Win Mag but if you put me on a long range target or a bear up close and personal I would be very happy to have my 300 Weatherby Magnum in my hands.

Take a sip of nice clean cold water, take a deep breath, go outside and enjoy the dawn or the sunset or the children playing on the swing set. You need to soothe your soul and ease the brain. Only bad caliber is one you don't have when you need one.
 
i like the first post on this thread, while i dont dislike the 270 and love my 300wm i think we all come across calibers and guns that we just dont like for no apparent reason. i got a real kick out of the fact that the 270 and 308 mag family were chosen since there are so versatile, proven and readily available anywhere ammo is sold in the country. i say if you hate them keep on hating them, its all the choices that makes gun ownership and use so fun. if people didnt have different tastes we could all be shooting 30/06 bolts for all north american big game and doing just fine but then i couldnt read different ballistics tables and enjoy the heck out of it.
 
The .270 Win is a rifleman's cartridge, especially for those who handload. It's under-loaded as a factory round because there are so many older rifles chambered for it that may not be in the best of shape.

How can a hunter who can hit a deer out to 450 yards not like a .270 Win, handloaded to 3,200 fps with 130 grain boat-tail bullets. It has more punch than a .25-06, but better trajectory than a 30-06. Sighted-in by the rule of threes, it stays no more than 3" high or low out to 320 yards!

If you can't see or hit deer beyond 300 yards, the 30-06 will probably be a better cartridge, especially in the woods. At any range, the .25-06 with 120 grain bullets or greater is inferior to the .270 Win in energy and trajectory, but shoots flatter with lighter varmint bullets. That's not just my opinion. Check it out in the handloading manuals and ballistic software.
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Amen brother.........

Also...It'sbeenalongdayjake.......UM NOPE....back at ya.......
 
jgcoastie, why hate the .270 win. and love your 25-06? There's no good decent reason to hate it. And I set here waiting for an intelligent reason, from anyone........ Hell I hate scalloped potatoes, and pushy salesmen, high gas prices, saggy britches, ugly plumbing, mustaches on ladies, most fast foods, bad breath, idiot drivers, hitting my fingers with my framing hammer............. GIVE ME ONE DECENT REASON WHY YOU COULD HATE THE .270 WIN.!:cool: Look at ALL the history, and the ballistics, and the loadings, and the riflemakers models that are chambered in it.:cool:;):rolleyes:
 
I just cant see where anyone hunting deer size game could be that upset with a .270's performance that they would hate it. I dont own one, but in over 30 years of hunting I've never noticed that much difference in knock down power between a .270, .308 or 30/06 during an actual hunt.
You can study all the ballistic tables you want proving which one is better, but in the real world of hunting, hit a deer in the chest with a .270, .308 or 30/06 & in my experience the results are the same - a dead deer.
 
hit a deer in the chest with a .270, .308 or 30/06 & in my experience the results are the same - a dead deer.
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It's just easier to do past that 300 yard mark with a .270 WIN.

All else being equal, the .270 will shoot flatter with less recoil than those other 2 you mentioned.
 
Never owned or desired to own a .270, but let me add that in the past year I have thought about buying one. Why I don't know unless I just want a different caliber. Actually I think I would buy a .260 before I would get the
.270. I have 30-06's, a 7MM-08 and a 7 MAG so I think maybe I should drop down in caliber just a little.

As far as the .300 WIN. MAG, yes I have a Model 70 in that caliber. Hunted with it about 4 or 5 times and shot one deer with it just to try it out. Recoil was not too bad since I have a good pad on it, but it is just too much gun for my 25 feet to 100 yard shots on deer. The 30.06 or 7 MAG. does just fine.
 
jimbob86, I sad "in the real world of hunting". The recoil difference between a .270, .308 or 30/06 when hunting deer in a real world hunt will not be noticed. When taking shots over 300 yards in "the real world", you'd better know the cartridge & rifle youre using well, cause most guns will require a holdover.
Ive never felt at an advantage or disadvantage when shooting my .308, compared to my mates .270s or 30/06s, even when we go culling goats at long range using cross valley shots of up to 400 yards.
 
Made an interesting thread, anyway

Hating a certain caliber is like hating a particular make of vehicle, probably not based on logic. I hate some vehicles, and there are certain calibers that make me wrinkle up my nose. No good reason, just how it is.

I don't like heavy recoil, and have a lot of disdain for ultra loud muzzle blast at the shooting range. Since I am just a pot bellied bald headed old fart, if somebody is making a lot of racket with a 300 win mag, I just put ear plugs in AND put on the muffs. Free country, ya know? And then get back to having fun with my pop gun 270 or 25-06.

As far as efficiency goes, and the length of action, it just never seemed to me that a little bit longer bolt travel was that big of a deal. And using 5 grains more powder isn't either.

While I am at it, the 7mm-08 has been widely praised, and for the life of me, I can't see it being as good as the 270 win. Probably a great caliber, but how is it any better than a 270? Some writers and some gun owners talk like the 7mm-08 is the best thing since rolled toilet paper. Huh?:confused:
That must be their opinion. :D
 
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