Any decent all steel precision 9 mm semi-auto's out there?
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rshaw, reference the P210-6 specifically, both of mine were 1980s production. One, with adjustable sights, was '86-'87 production, IIRC. My current fixed sight -6 is '83 production. Both demonstrated flawless reliability and superlative accuracy. That extra screw to secure the en bloc hammer/sear housing created no issues. For me, the two -2s I had were just as accurate as my -6s. Much as I admire the Swiss P210s, they do hammer bite me badly. That is one reason I enjoy the German P210 Legend guns so much. No hammer bite, no bloodshed
BTW, Much as I like the 210s, if one of those bull barrel Luger Sport models became available, I'd be sorely tempted.
BTW, Much as I like the 210s, if one of those bull barrel Luger Sport models became available, I'd be sorely tempted.
Hi all!
Many thanks for these most recent and very insightful replies!
I'm looking more closely now at three possibilities
- Swiss Sig p210 / need to call the shop in two or three days
- 1982 Swiss Sig p210-6 / private seller, we've been texting a lot... looks good!
will see it in the middle of October.
- 1975 Luger bullbarrel - Very curious about this gun, will see it next week
Will also take a closer look at the other Sigs, and the CZ 75's + variants-
I have seen them also in various places here in NL.
The choice is almost TOO wide!
1911's are hard to come by, same for the S&W 952.
I have collated all these replies into a single list... (I need to go about this more systematically.)
At the end of the day I have to LIKE the gun, it's feel and performance of course. It's a one off investment, and I need to get this right
Jim, many thanks for your comments on the Sig p210-6! I will take these with me when I see this gun in the middle of October.
Meanwhile, I have some more work to do.
MANY thanks for all these helpful replies!
Many thanks for these most recent and very insightful replies!
I'm looking more closely now at three possibilities
- Swiss Sig p210 / need to call the shop in two or three days
- 1982 Swiss Sig p210-6 / private seller, we've been texting a lot... looks good!
will see it in the middle of October.
- 1975 Luger bullbarrel - Very curious about this gun, will see it next week
Will also take a closer look at the other Sigs, and the CZ 75's + variants-
I have seen them also in various places here in NL.
The choice is almost TOO wide!
1911's are hard to come by, same for the S&W 952.
I have collated all these replies into a single list... (I need to go about this more systematically.)
At the end of the day I have to LIKE the gun, it's feel and performance of course. It's a one off investment, and I need to get this right
Jim, many thanks for your comments on the Sig p210-6! I will take these with me when I see this gun in the middle of October.
Meanwhile, I have some more work to do.
MANY thanks for all these helpful replies!
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Ok Mr. Shaw, sorry for the delay. Here are some suggestions from my personal collection.
The Sig P210 is, in my opinion, the finest pistol built. I'm talking about the Swiss target variants with the forged frame, not the later CNC frame. Shown here is a 2002 CNC Heavy Frame P210-6, an extremely rare forged Heavy Frame P210-6 model from 1975, a 1967 forged p210-6, and a 1954 P210-1
The Smith & Wesson 952 was brought up, so I'll include it here. They are outstanding. Here we have a 952-1, a 952-2 Longslide, and the even more accurate PPC9 in both standard and longslide configuration.
If you like Sig Sauer pistols, I recommend the German Mastershop guns, such as this P226 Sport, P226 X-Five Short, or this P226 X-Five L1
The Browning Hi Power was brought up in this thread a couple of times.
I don't consider them precision or high end. I do consider them to be very classy and beautiful, with a very extensive military history. Just be sure to get an older all Belgian forged frame model, such as these from 1960, 1962, 1969, and 1972
The CZ design is outstanding. Sphinx of Switzerland made the absolute highest quality pistols to use the design. Shown here are a Sphinx AT2000S, a Sphinx Competitor, a CZ 75 Champion, and a CZ 75 Tactical Sport.
If you like sexy Italian pistols, there are many to choose from in the high end category. Shown here are two Beretta Steel I pistols (one SAO and one DA/SA), a Pardini GT9, a Benelli MP3S (target variant of the B76), Beretta 92 Combat, and Bernardelli Practical VB.
The Sig P210 is, in my opinion, the finest pistol built. I'm talking about the Swiss target variants with the forged frame, not the later CNC frame. Shown here is a 2002 CNC Heavy Frame P210-6, an extremely rare forged Heavy Frame P210-6 model from 1975, a 1967 forged p210-6, and a 1954 P210-1
The Smith & Wesson 952 was brought up, so I'll include it here. They are outstanding. Here we have a 952-1, a 952-2 Longslide, and the even more accurate PPC9 in both standard and longslide configuration.
If you like Sig Sauer pistols, I recommend the German Mastershop guns, such as this P226 Sport, P226 X-Five Short, or this P226 X-Five L1
The Browning Hi Power was brought up in this thread a couple of times.
I don't consider them precision or high end. I do consider them to be very classy and beautiful, with a very extensive military history. Just be sure to get an older all Belgian forged frame model, such as these from 1960, 1962, 1969, and 1972
The CZ design is outstanding. Sphinx of Switzerland made the absolute highest quality pistols to use the design. Shown here are a Sphinx AT2000S, a Sphinx Competitor, a CZ 75 Champion, and a CZ 75 Tactical Sport.
If you like sexy Italian pistols, there are many to choose from in the high end category. Shown here are two Beretta Steel I pistols (one SAO and one DA/SA), a Pardini GT9, a Benelli MP3S (target variant of the B76), Beretta 92 Combat, and Bernardelli Practical VB.
Austria built some accurate pistols over the years. Shown here are two Steyr GBs and the very intricate and high quality Wolf Ultramatic in both SV and LV form.
I'm not sure if the HK P7 Series was mentioned. While they aren't target pistols, they are very precision and high quality handguns. their fixed barrel makes them quite accurate as well. Here we have a couple P7s, a couple P7M8s, and a P7M13.
The Walther P88 Series is outstanding. Shown here is an ultra rare P88 Competition with the SAO trigger, a P88 compact, and a standard P88. The Browning GP Competition is also shown, which is a target version of the Hi Power. Finally the HK P9S Sport is one of the most accurate pistols in the world.
For something truly exotic, the Korth Autopistol, Korriphila HSP 701, MAB PAP F1, Delta Top Gun, or the Mauser Parabellum sport will suite your fancy.
Hopefully, this gives you some choices. Most of these range from difficult to virtually impossible to find, but finding them is half the fun.
Let me know if you want more info about any model in particular.
Brian
I'm not sure if the HK P7 Series was mentioned. While they aren't target pistols, they are very precision and high quality handguns. their fixed barrel makes them quite accurate as well. Here we have a couple P7s, a couple P7M8s, and a P7M13.
The Walther P88 Series is outstanding. Shown here is an ultra rare P88 Competition with the SAO trigger, a P88 compact, and a standard P88. The Browning GP Competition is also shown, which is a target version of the Hi Power. Finally the HK P9S Sport is one of the most accurate pistols in the world.
For something truly exotic, the Korth Autopistol, Korriphila HSP 701, MAB PAP F1, Delta Top Gun, or the Mauser Parabellum sport will suite your fancy.
Hopefully, this gives you some choices. Most of these range from difficult to virtually impossible to find, but finding them is half the fun.
Let me know if you want more info about any model in particular.
Brian
Jim Watson
New member
OP said he had a chance at a Parabellum Sport.
How is it as a shooter?
How is it as a shooter?
Hi bac1023, and you all....
A VERY impressive pistol collection and well worded descriptions!! MANY, many thanks- also for the good photos
I will be going over this post very carefully as I scour the possibilities in NL and match them against your and other forum contributors' comments, and, of course, prices.
As Jim Watson mentioned, I am considering a 1975 Luger P08 Sport, and I understand you have one. Have you shot this gun? Or do you prefer to keep yours as a collector / not to be shot? I would value your opinion and the opinions of others on this collector/ shooter question as the Luger will likely be more expensive than most of these other excellent firearms (I understand there were only 200 Luger bull barrels ever made.) You mentioned a few rare pieces in the above lineup- are these brought to the range every so often?
Yes, finding these is half the fun. Making an informed choice is also great fun and quite a challenge, since a choice of 1 brings my total to the maximum 5 allowed in the Netherlands (until my collector license comes through- at least a year away.)
A VERY impressive pistol collection and well worded descriptions!! MANY, many thanks- also for the good photos
I will be going over this post very carefully as I scour the possibilities in NL and match them against your and other forum contributors' comments, and, of course, prices.
As Jim Watson mentioned, I am considering a 1975 Luger P08 Sport, and I understand you have one. Have you shot this gun? Or do you prefer to keep yours as a collector / not to be shot? I would value your opinion and the opinions of others on this collector/ shooter question as the Luger will likely be more expensive than most of these other excellent firearms (I understand there were only 200 Luger bull barrels ever made.) You mentioned a few rare pieces in the above lineup- are these brought to the range every so often?
Yes, finding these is half the fun. Making an informed choice is also great fun and quite a challenge, since a choice of 1 brings my total to the maximum 5 allowed in the Netherlands (until my collector license comes through- at least a year away.)
I only had mine to the range once. Its shoots well. Trigger is so much better than any Luger trigger I ever felt. They are exceedingly rare. About 80 were made in 9mm and about 60 were made in 30 Luger. That's it. Finding one could really be a once in a lifetime event.
Its still no Sig P210 though. Far from it.
Seller mentioned that date in the ad.
Did not specifically state "built in 1982"
Have asked him for clarification.
Tha ad reads as follows:
"Sig P210-6 1982
Firearm in very good condition
Includes original box, 2 mags, instr manual"
He mentioned in a text that He brought it from a police officer 3 years ago.
Has to sell it since He needs to cancel his permit- said its an original Swiss made firearm...
What would you consider to be fair price, (I assume you are in the US?) if I may ask?
Sorry for my ignorance,but what is a "CNC model?"
Thanks!
Did not specifically state "built in 1982"
Have asked him for clarification.
Tha ad reads as follows:
"Sig P210-6 1982
Firearm in very good condition
Includes original box, 2 mags, instr manual"
He mentioned in a text that He brought it from a police officer 3 years ago.
Has to sell it since He needs to cancel his permit- said its an original Swiss made firearm...
What would you consider to be fair price, (I assume you are in the US?) if I may ask?
Sorry for my ignorance,but what is a "CNC model?"
Thanks!
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The seller is probably getting the 1982 from the munitions date on the test target. That is not the production date. That serial number puts it about 1989-1990. The early 80’s models used forged frames.
CNC frames are machined a bit different. It’s also looked at as having less hand fitting by the time the frames changed. That’s why the forged target models bring more money on average.
CNC frames are machined a bit different. It’s also looked at as having less hand fitting by the time the frames changed. That’s why the forged target models bring more money on average.
Ahh many Thanks!
These details are very helpful!
The other P210 has no suffix; I have to call the shop about that one later this week. There is one other potential buyer ahead of me. If that buyer passes, then the shop has agreed to contact me- so I'm waiting a little longer- I don't want to push.
Perhaps the latter P210 (not the -6 version) is an earlier forged model. Asking price is a bit less as well. Thanks!!
These details are very helpful!
The other P210 has no suffix; I have to call the shop about that one later this week. There is one other potential buyer ahead of me. If that buyer passes, then the shop has agreed to contact me- so I'm waiting a little longer- I don't want to push.
Perhaps the latter P210 (not the -6 version) is an earlier forged model. Asking price is a bit less as well. Thanks!!
Jim Watson
New member
A collector might make a lot out of the difference between "forged" and "CNC" SIGs.
A shooter would do better to select by features. My no doubt CNC -6 has the lighter trigger pull and better sights which mean more to me than the starting place for the metal.
A shooter would do better to select by features. My no doubt CNC -6 has the lighter trigger pull and better sights which mean more to me than the starting place for the metal.
Well, I am looking at this gun in my search for an accurate and reliable shooter- which performs well, and lasts long
The 1975 Luger.... I do want to see this gun... but it is pricey... and I am questioning the wisdom of using it to shoot. On the other hand, guns were made to be shot!! Ah well, the collector / shooter debate marches on............
I do take care of my guns, cameras, and other stuff... I clean my firearms after every trip to the range... and I do research the ammo carefully before loading a magazine.
Only thing I would want to know now is, How reliable are the CNC frames? Forged steel speaks for itself. But CNC??..... I'm really not into the later Aluminum frames or polymer parts. Perhaps I am dating myself, but that's OK for me when spending a fair amount of money for a firearm.
Thanks!! (yet again)
The 1975 Luger.... I do want to see this gun... but it is pricey... and I am questioning the wisdom of using it to shoot. On the other hand, guns were made to be shot!! Ah well, the collector / shooter debate marches on............
I do take care of my guns, cameras, and other stuff... I clean my firearms after every trip to the range... and I do research the ammo carefully before loading a magazine.
Only thing I would want to know now is, How reliable are the CNC frames? Forged steel speaks for itself. But CNC??..... I'm really not into the later Aluminum frames or polymer parts. Perhaps I am dating myself, but that's OK for me when spending a fair amount of money for a firearm.
Thanks!! (yet again)
Jim, the -5 and -6 have a lighter and crisper trigger than the standard P210. Whether or not the frame is forged has nothing to do with it. To the contrary, my forged -6 models both have a crisper trigger and a more solid overall feel than my 2002 CNC -6.
As far as the sights are concerned, it’s idenical. Both the forged and the later CNC -6 models were available with adjustable and military sights. In fact, I’ve owned -6 examples with each set of sights on both frame types over the years.
The frame type has nothing to do with the configuration of this handgun. It’s a different way it’s manufactured. CNC was used to reduce costs and labor.
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With these comments, I am now questioning the CNC models.
Is this valid? Or am I being too picky?
Sigs are in general very reliable guns, are they not? whether they be CNC... or forged steel?
I am looking for solid feel, good balance, and good sights- both in my guns... and in my photo gear...
At the same time, I look for guns which will keep or increase their value in general.
Is this valid? Or am I being too picky?
Sigs are in general very reliable guns, are they not? whether they be CNC... or forged steel?
I am looking for solid feel, good balance, and good sights- both in my guns... and in my photo gear...
At the same time, I look for guns which will keep or increase their value in general.