Any decent all steel precision 9 mm semi-auto's out there?

Wilson Combat makes a number of their 1911's - in 9mm - with 1" guarantees at 25 yds.
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Same for Les Baer and STI.
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I though Les Baer was 1" at 50 yards? Hand fitted to the nines. I would say a step above wilson or sti. That is reputation, I dont have one. If the OP has good taste and budget for a Smith 41 -- Baer is probably the way to go (I am also assuming they offer a 9mm based on prior posting)

I have an STI Target Master, 6" barrel. Now discontinued. That was offered as a 9 or 45. Those were $1500 or little less dependent on the dealer. Mine will hold 2" at 25 yards, factory 185 loads in 45acp. I was not aware of any STI guarantee. I dont have a machine rest, but I can hold (and see) an inch with a good bench rest - so I am pretty confident. Probably subtract 1/2 inch for a machine rest test. Its a great gun and worlds better than my colt gold cup. After the STI experience, I plan to have my gold cup re-barreled. The 9mm should be at least as good given the heavier barrels. Target Master is (was) kind of an entry point for STI, you can pay double for, I assume, more performance. But, I just dont recall seeing any guarantee. They also have models that accept optics and remind me of a 1970's pimp mobile. I dont care for the solid guide rod takedown. You get used to it. It is a tight gun, yet very smooth. They recommend Lucas oil and clean after every shooting. The trigger started out 3 1/4 pounds and now running close to 2 1/2. It adjusts for over travel and breaks clean. Good value, IMHO. This model has a very fancy rear sight. I dont know if they offer that any more. Its has three independent settings.
 
I'm fortunate enough to have a few 9mm chambered S&W Performance Center pistols but admit that I am still working diligently (but slowly) at finding the best handloads to make them sing.

In the mean time, I admit a little bit of frustration in that I can outshoot them with my very basic Tanfoglio Witness Elite Match... the base model "custom" SAO from EAA/Tanfoglio. I either personally believe or perhaps simply WANT the S&W PC pistols to rise above my Elite Match but so far, that hasn't happened. Call it a "carrot" hanging out in front of me.

I have never had the opportunity to shoot a CZ Tactical Sport but from what I have heard, it might be hard to beat that, especially for the money. I can say that my buddy took a plain-Jane CZ-75SA that was "nice but not special" and with Cajun internals, made that trigger absolutely impressive. But my Tanfoglio will lay down a smaller group on paper.

In my opinion, there may be only a few human people on this planet who -LOVE- a S&W Performance Center 5"/6" Limited pistol more than I love them (they are my true passion) but when you consider the cost required to "play" (high) the collectibility (high) and the aftermarket support (none) and the factory support (zilch), it is hard to recommend this as the best answer in 9mm for ultimate accuracy here in 2017.

Mine won't be sold until I'm in my retirement years and I figure this old heap of a body has maybe 25 years of work left in it, God willing.
 
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Road Clam, Have you tried lead ball, TC, or SWC through your SA RO yet?
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Have not loaded any hard cast. I really only load 124 gr Armscore FMJRN's. I got a great deal on 6000 of em', so did a lot of load workups and I settled on 5.6 gr of Unique.
 
Les Baer's reputation...not good in my view !

For what its worth....I have 1911's in 9mm....from Kimber, Baer and Wilson...and some buddies have Springfield, Colt & Nighthawk....and Kimber & Wilson.

And out of that mix --- the worst gun in terms of fit, finish & reliability is the Baer Monolith 5" gun that I custom ordered new about 14 yrs ago..( gun was a huge disappointment ---- although a gunsmith associate was able to tune it up enough that I gave it to one of my adult sons...& its above avg now in reliability & accuracy - with wilson parts in it now ( extractor, sear, disconnector, guide rod & bushing & a lot of labor...).....

... ...and the top 3 guns out of about 12 in 9mm ......are all Wilsons in fit, finish, reliability
& accuracy...mine, Protector model 5" with close to 200,000 rds thru it in 11 + yrs ...and the other 2 wilsons - both 5" CQB's ..one at 2 yrs with 10,000 rds thru it & other 5 yrs old with about 40,000 rds thru it.......no comparison, hands down !!

I have other 1911's in .45 acp....and a lot of my buddies do too...and Wilson stands out there as well...in 4", 4.25" and 5" guns...mostly CQB's...but a couple of super grades as well.../ your experience with Baer may differ....but no more money spent on Baer's out of my pocket.
 
$2500 +/-

The P210 and the S&W 952 are the only real contenders that come to mind. A tuned 92FS can work but not right out of the box.
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Actually, unless the gun is extremely rough, it's next to impossible to find a Swiss P210 target variant for $2500 these days. You can still get a milsurp P210-2 for that, but that's about it.

952 prices have also gone up quite a bit.

I've got quite a few for this thread. Just need to take some pics.
 
I finally noticed where the OP is. The Netherlands.
I don't know the population of Dutch 1911-smiths, but I doubt there are many and I am now reluctant to recommend one.

European shooter, European gun.
How about a nice Pardini GT9?
 
I’m from neighboring Belgium and around here 95% of the shooters that want the best possible precision 9mm went with one of the following:

- SIG P210
- SIG-Sauer X-series
- Tanfoglio (Italian improved CZ)
- Sphinx (Swiss improved CZ / now bankrupt)
- CZ Phantom (Phantom 2 gaining popularity fast)
- the older generation often still use some customized High Power

If you want a customized 1911 then gunsmith Drummen (NL) will build you one (if you have deep pockets).
 
Hi all,
I have been making the rounds here in the gunshops and private sellers on the internet in the Netherlands.... very interesting, but so hard to make a decision!! All these comments are extremely helpful- thank you!

We are allowed to have, and shoot, a maximum of 5 firearms, not larger than 9 mm here after being in possession of a weapons permit for 1 year. After 2 years, one can include 45 cal. but the max number stays fixed at 5 firearms. A collector's permit allows one to expand that number virtually without limit, but within the limits of time period, manufacturer or other restrictions stated by the applicant when applying for the collector's permit. Collector pieces my not be fired without special arrangement; so when one wants to shoot, one is really limited to the maximum 5 weapons on the basic permit.

I have come across an unusual Luger P08- the bullbarrel target gun- one of 200 made by Mauser in 1975-1976. Perhaps this is more of a collector's piece... but the price is within the range of $2500 to 4000 quoted here for other target pieces.... and the accuracy of Luger is well known. Hopefully I will be able to see this gun next week. Otherwise I have tracked down a Swiss Luger 1906/29 in 7,65 cal rig, a CZ 75, Browning Hi Power, Springfield P9 and a Swiss Sig P210 (2,5 hours from here by car!)... Can only decide for one of these, since I will have reached my limit of 5....

From the above, it is clear that I have to decide between purely a target gun- versus one of these older vintage specials which are fascinating in their own right....

Appreciate all the feedback.....
 
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I have seen only one of those Mauser Parabellum Sport Modells ever and thought it an interesting pistol. I don't know how well it actually shoots.

Member bac1023 has one, maybe he will comment. Send him a message.

Otherwise, from the list you show, I would take the trip for the P210.

Anecdote: There was a small town physician near here who liked to shoot, he even had a range behind his office. He bought TWO P210s because he shot every day at lunch and wanted to have a spare. About 20 years later, he sold the spare because it was obvious that he was not going to be able to wear out the first. I narrowly missed being able to buy it.
 
Well, I contacted the shop with the Sig P 210- there's another customer who has an option on it- but the shop will contact me if it's still available next week.
Meanwhile.... still have to hear back about that bull barrel Luger. I'll ring them tomorrow:)
This is fun... but mentally exhausting. I don't do this very often at all!!
I'm tending toward the Sig if I'm really honest....
 
Well, I contacted the shop with the Sig P 210- there's another customer who has an option on it- but the shop will contact me if it's still available next week.
Meanwhile.... still have to hear back about that bull barrel Luger. I'll ring them tomorrow
This is fun... but mentally exhausting. I don't do this very often at all!!
I'm tending toward the Sig if I'm really honest....
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The Sig P210 is, in my opinion, the finest pistol ever made. I speak of the forged -5 and -6 target models from the 1960's and 1970's when I say this.
 

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Hi again,
Found a Sig p210-6 which looks very nice. Price looks reasonable as well. Looks like it was built in 1982. I have sent the seller an email asking the following:
- Are you the first owner? (Original box and instruction book + 2 mag included)
- Was this firearm built in 1982?
- What ammunition have you used?
- Why are you selling this firearm?
- Is this a Swiss Sig? If not, could you tell me where it was built?

I have been searching the Internet to find the difference(s) between the original Sig p210 and this gun the p210-6.
I found this statement:
"The SIG P210 started out as military sidearm and the P210 - 5 and -6 were pretty much the target versions of it. The main difference of the -5 and -6 is the trigger contour and that the hammer unit is fixed to the frame with a screw. On the -6 there was the option of adjustable rear sights. The tolerances on the -6 are tighter than on the -4 and so I could not use my KPS .22 conversion in it."

Anything else you experts would add? Your opinions of the p210-6?
Any disadvantages to using a screw to fix the hammer unit to the frame?
Sounds very similar to the original, about which I have heard only very positive feedback.
Again, many thanks for your replies
 
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I own a P210-6. It came with fixed sights but I found a set of proper adjustables for it.
It is a well made and accurate pistol. If the one you are looking at was made in 1982, it was made in Switzerland, the German Legend series is much more recent.

Depending on your hand shape and your grasp of the gun, it MAY hammer bite the web of your hand. I am not affected but a friend was.

I assume that the screw holding the lockwork is to position it securely for control of sear engagement at the -6's lighter trigger pull. It may also be used to retain an attached "beavertail" if you suffer hammer bite. Mine has not worked loose.

The thumb safety is not as convenient as it looks. Extensions are available.

The heel magazine catch is strong and positive, the magazine is tight in the well. You will not have problems due to magazine movement in the gun, but you will not be making any speed loads, either.

The trigger pull is light and controllable. There is a good deal of takeup in the trigger before it contacts the sear and the actual firing trigger pull is felt.

There is a magazine disconnect, the pistol will not fire a round in the chamber if there is not a magazine inserted.

The gun was designed for 7.65 and 9mm with no intention of accommodating .45 like the P75/P220 series. This gives it a slender appearance and a low barrel axis which reduces muzzle rise. Recoil of an all steel 9mm is not much.
 
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