Anti-gun politicians recalled in Colorado!

Glenn E Meyer said:
NYTimes had a hissy fit over single issue politics getting rid of great legislators.
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Watching the wanna-be tyrant class cry over this has been an unexpectedly enjoyable fringe benefit.
 
Tom Servo said:
MLeake said:
The recall petition had more signatures from D and I (combined) than from R voters
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...and there's a lesson there. We ignore allies from the other side of the aisle at our peril.
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I agree 100%. Way too often I see the gun debate framed as "liberal" vs. "conservative", or "Democrat" vs. "Republican". But there are plenty of pro-gun liberals and Democrats just as there are plenty of anti-gun conservatives and Republicans. Just because a liberal or Democrat is more likely to support gun control than a conservative or a Republican doesn't mean we should alienate potential allies by framing the debate in partisan terms.
 
Too listen to the coverage on MSNBC, it sounds like the commentators are covering the Fall of Saigon or Evacuation from Dunkirk.

I try to frame the gun control debate as a matter of Constitutionalism versus anti-Constitutionalism.

And I find the recent recall in Colorado serves as a great example of this.

And further more, the fact that it, was as MLeake pointed out, a true grass roots movement makes it all the sweeter.
 
The recall was started by three blue collar guys - two plumbers and an electrician;
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I listened to them on local radio interviews and again on Cam and Company

It is also worth noting that these blue collar guys feel strongly that the system here in CO was specifically designed to keep regular people on the sidelines, and mere "citizen voters".

I feel somewhat redeemed by this, I have been complaining about government hegemony for at least 15 years, up until now I had not heard anyone else complain about it. Although they did not use the term hegemony, what they described was exactly that, the government has obstacles in place to help ensure that only government has power, and all the people can do is vote.

I view this latest push for gun control as hegemony also, the government seeks to have a monopoly on the legitimate use of violence.
 
NYTimes had a hissy fit over single issue politics getting rid of great legislators.

Ahem - everybody does single issue politics. Depends on your single issue, now doesn't it?
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Yeah, really.


Cnon
 
NYTimes had a hissy fit over single issue politics getting rid of great legislators.
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Agreed. Although I do feel the need to point out that, if they had truly been great legislators, they wouldn't have been recalled.:D
 
I don't understand why so many have posted here that it would be useless to go for a repeal right now of the anti-2A laws that cost these 2 legislators their political careers. In spite of the small Democratic majority, it's my opinion that several of the lawmakers would jump at the chance to change their votes and try to stay in office next election.

I say introduce the legislation to repeal the law now.
 
motorhead0922 said:
I don't understand why so many have posted here that it would be useless to go for a repeal right now of the anti-2A laws that cost these 2 legislators their political careers. In spite of the small Democratic majority, it's my opinion that several of the lawmakers would jump at the chance to change their votes and try to stay in office next election.

I say introduce the legislation to repeal the law now.
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I read recently...can't remember where, but I'll try to dig up the link, that even though the Dems maintain a small majority, pro-2A sentiments cross party lines, and there is (according to this article) now a 3 vote majority favoring 2A.

Now does that extend to repeals? I don't know.


Ah...here it is, the Kopel piece:
Dave Kopel said:
The Colorado Senate is now 18-17 Democratic, and 19-16 pro-Second Amendment. On gun issues, and on many others, the balance of power is now held by moderate Democrats, rather than by the hard left faction formerly led by Morse.
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Enjoy the schadenfreude, folks. Here's a video of Senator Giron melting down on CNN. The anchor does her best to get Giron to admit she lost through a combination of arrogance and political tone-deafness, but Giron keeps blaming the Koch brothers (?) and "voter suppression."

It's nice to see them taken down a peg, and it's also good to see the mainstream media questioning the influence and reach of Mayor Bloomberg.
 
Brian Pfleuger wrote:

I would surmise the the effectiveness of that strategy might be dependent on the urban/rural ratio of the states population.

For instance, Colorado's 3 largest cities only constitute about 27% of the state population and the single largest is only about 11%, where as New York's 3 largest cities constitute almost 45% of the population and the single largest is 40% by itself.

Urban areas are less likely to support this kind of thing. For example, take a look at the counties in NY that officially support the SAFE Act.

Brian:

It's been a very long time since I lived in New York (NYC actually). That having been said, correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think New York State has provision for the recall of elected officials. The same would apply to New Jersey, mentioned by another poster.
 
Years ago then Senator John Tunney-D, California complained of people trying to intimidate him. He said "Their intimidation is not subtle-they say "We will vote against you.'"
 
I haven't been following CO's isues much since I'm too busy dealing with NY's but this is definitely good news. Hopefully this spreads to all the "progressive" states.
 
The recall petition had more signatures from D and I (combined) than from R voters

...and there's a lesson there. We ignore allies from the other side of the aisle at our peril.
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Kind of goes to what I have stated a few times. The belief that we need gun control doesnt sit well with people who live in high crime areas. These areas happen to be prodominantly Democrat voters.

Colorado proved that people don't like intrusions by the government in thier life.

Read this the other day>>>http://www.nationaljournal.com/domesticpolicy/how-democrats-got-gun-control-polling-wrong-20130321

IMHO:
People say they want new regulations, but they they don't trust it's motives of the government. I for one am glad they don't trust them either.

IMHO:
Give the vote to the people on a national ballot on the most recent round of federal gun legislation bills and you might be surprised how many that want new regulations would have voted against them.

Thank you Colorado Voters....:)
 
I think Giron's "meltdown" on the CNN video probably illustrates one reason she lost. In her arrogance, she refuses to understand that a substantial number of people just weren't with her on the gun control issue.
 
she refuses to understand that a substantial number of people just weren't with her on the gun control issue.
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If she hadn't slammed the door in their faces and ignored their concerns at town hall meetings, that might not have been the case. She probably thought that the money from Bloomberg and various donors would sway things in her favor.
 
Now that Giron's political career is derailed her only option to stay in the action is to get a juicy appointment. Maybe she will be appointed undersecretary for ATF? Never underestimate the opposition! :D

Hopefully this is the last we hear from her and will silence a good many other gun grabbers from feeling so bold to ignore the public will AND Constitution.
 
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