Anti-gun politicians recalled in Colorado!

I went to MAIG's website out of curiosity prompted by motorhead's comment. Now I find something equally curious: Is there any relation between Mayor Bob Muckle of Louisville, CO and Mayor Andrew Muckle of Superior, CO?
 
So, what are the chances of a repeal of the recent gun laws in Colorado? I'd love to see the up-or-down votes now.
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Not much, from what I've gathered. The balance of the legislature won't be drastically changed by two seats. As long as Hickenloper's in the governor's mansion, we have to contend with him.
 
bikerbill said:
The real issue there, I think, is similar to one we will face in Texas down the road; huge blocks of liberal voters drawn from crumbling states like California to better lives in states where the economy is strong because of conservative government. Unfortunately, they refuse to leave their liberal points of view behind... they force the things that wrecked their own states on their new homes. Settling near big cities for the jobs, they overwhelm rural, conservative residents... Austin is already gone, and Dallas and Houston are also strongly liberal. Those of us in small towns see that drift and cheer for our brothers and sisters in Colorado who showed that it can be done.
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I'd like to offer some positive counterpoint to this "Crumbling Red Majority" viewpoint which IMHO seems to increasingly be regarded as conventional wisdom in TX.

I don't think the the Conservative vs. Liberal viewpoints are so clear-cut when it comes to gun rights in Western states. I believe that there is a substantial bloc of TX voters who lean left on social and economic issues but are also staunchly pro-gun. I believe that these folks vote for the left-leaning candidate when he or she takes a positive or at least neutral stance on gun rights, but will readily hold their noses and change their vote when it becomes clear that "their" candidate is actually an anti-gun crusader.

I think we've just seen this bloc of voters come out in force in CO.

Despite how one might view the PPP overall, I believe that they "tilted" the poll discussed in the third Politico article linked by Glenn Meyer, thus proving they are a force to be reckoned with. :)

This is a Good Thing for gun rights in the big picture. :D
 
First of all congratulations to Colorado an all you Denver fans ;) .


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So, what are the chances of a repeal of the recent gun laws in Colorado? I'd love to see the up-or-down votes now.
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Not much, from what I've gathered. The balance of the legislature won't be drastically changed by two seats. As long as Hickenloper's in the governor's mansion, we have to contend with him.
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As great as this news is, it comes with a sobering reality of the damage left behind. The voice of the people should carry further than this! Fight on>>>:mad:

I see our governing system as the best in the world by design, but the power of those who govern are very often abused.

"In an emotional concession speech, Mr. Morse called the loss of his seat “purely symbolic” and defended the record of the last legislative session as “phenomenal.”
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“We made Colorado safer from gun violence,” he said afterward, as his supporters trickled away from a hotel ballroom here in his district. “If it cost me my political career, that’s a small price to pay.”
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Talking about being blinded by self ambition and delisions of being the chosen one of self sacrifice for the greater good. Would radical be a good description of such behavior?
 
The results of these two recalls might serve as that proverbial object lesson to others, it is so hoped, but one never knows. That having been said, the following might be worthy of note, I think it is.

1. Recall petitions, as I understand it, were circulated for other Colorado legislators. Sufficient signatures were not obtained for the others.

2. In one of the two recall elections held, recall prevailed by 343 votes, from what I heard on a newscast earlier today, that's pretty close.

3. The success of the two recall elections might serve as a kick in the teeth to Colorado and out-of-state anti gun money men, think Mayor Bloomberg, who supposedly put up $350,000.

4. In conclusion, I would say that Colorado pro gun forces deserve congratulations for delivering what is hoped to be a valuable and long lasting object lesson, a lesson that might be described, as the French sometimes put it, "For The Encouragement of Others".
 
What's the procedure and chances of success for a gubernatorial recall? Having a governor that would veto these boondoggles would help a lot.
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I don't think the chances are good for a successful recall on that level.

Then again, I didn't think the chances were good for recalling Morse, either. So take my prediction with a grain of salt :)
 
Bernie Herpin is a board member of the Pikes Peak Firearms Coalition. 'nuff said.

The chances of overturning the gun laws passed in the 2012 session are Zero! The Democrat majority in the CO House and Senate, plus the Democrat Govenor will make that a moot point.

However, the following year election will be very interesting!
 
Even more interesting is that the anti-recall groups spent almost SIX TIMES AS MUCH as the recall groups (3 million, versus about 540 thousand). This was a big loss for the anti-freedom crowd, and I love it :-)
 
...and we haven't mentioned, is IMO the outcome of these recalls have added that much more clout to North Colorado. Colorado Springs and Pueblo have just reaffirmed that their intentions are true AND actionable.
 
Interesting, yesterday CBS Evening had has their second story a factual piece on the recall and nice interviews with the organizers. However, ABC said nothing. Half their show is full of puff pieces about someone saving a duck from a pond or a kid who made a hat out of marshmallows (or some such stupidity).

Most analyses said this would be a bucket of cold water on local politicians for passing gun legislation except in hard core anti states.
 
In an interview, Jennifer Kerns, spokesperson for the Pueblo recall group that ousted Giron, pointed out the following:

The recall was started by three blue collar guys - two plumbers and an electrician;

The recall petition had more signatures from D and I (combined) than from R voters;

Recallers were ecstatic to see a high initial turnout of Independents, because they knew they would win when that happened.
 
There's an interesting takeaway regarding turnout.

Most Coloradans vote by mail, but for the recall election, they had to vote in person. This took a lot of casual voters out of the pool, and it became a battle of those who were emotionally invested and personally involved. The question became "who can do a better job of motivating those people?"

It turns out that was the NRA and Pueblo Freedom & Rights. PFR was consistently ignored and shut out by Giron, and that lent emotional credibility to a cause that was already a hot-button for many.

So, despite an 8:1 disadvantage in funding, focusing and motivating a core group of believers worked.

Will it work elsewhere? That's hard to tell. Are there larger strategic lessons here? Absolutely.
 
I would surmise the the effectiveness of that strategy might be dependent on the urban/rural ratio of the states population.

For instance, Colorado's 3 largest cities only constitute about 27% of the state population and the single largest is only about 11%, where as New York's 3 largest cities constitute almost 45% of the population and the single largest is 40% by itself.

Urban areas are less likely to support this kind of thing. For example, take a look at the counties in NY that officially support the SAFE Act.
 
AP has a story on the recall vote with the headline of "Colo recalls show risk of supporting gun control"

That makes me a little warm and fuzzy, to be honest, despite some negative in connotation and a bit of a hit piece.
 
I found the (limited) coverage in the UK's The Independent to be more accurate and honest than that of the US MSM. The British outlet noted the bipartisan nature of the recall effort, and the warning this should give to gun controllers.
 
NYTimes had a hissy fit over single issue politics getting rid of great legislators.

Ahem - everybody does single issue politics. Depends on your single issue, now doesn't it?
 
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