Anti-gun does not = automatic Leftist.
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JuanCarlos
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See my link, sparkles. I provided another thread where the discussion can continue without dragging this one down. If it gets locked, it gets locked...but we certainly can't claim it's off topic now, can we.
Since you missed it the first time, here it is again.
Well, in the abstract "moving forward with society" often entails treating all human beings equally, using rational arguments rather than calls to tradition or religion (sometimes cloaked in "family values") to set policy, etc. In the past it has, as I said, meant everything from allowing women to vote to allowing black to not be property. Nowadays the big one seems to be gay rights (discuss there, please). It seems like today's firearms-enthusiast demographic is largely drawn from the same pool that resisted all the other previous steps (such as equal rights for blacks, women, etc). The issues change, but the intolerant attitudes don't.
CobrayCommando
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What he is saying is that the average Christian Republican is a social and cultural neanderthal.
You should put is in camps to help us concentrate on becoming more "modern". You're off your rocker. Who or what do you think the people on this forum are? This is an accurate representation of millions of people who aren't going to abandon their values because you say it will help us out publicity wise.
There is probably a lesson in the fact that the majority of pro-2nd Americans are "backwards" in your eyes and the eyes of the media. What that lesson is I don't know, and I don't want to think about it too long or I might get really depressed.
He may or may not be but I am. Yes, the average christian is back asswards in his ideas of social equality. Christians pretend they have a monopoly on the word "marriage" and that banning four letter words on broadcast television and radio for decency are perfectly acceptable incursions on the right to free speech.
You don't have to participate in my lifestyle, you don't even have to accept it. But you sure as hell have no business legislating what goes on in my bedroom, telling me that my partner and I can't raise a child because it doesn't conform to christian views - which are cleverly veiled as "traditional american family values - or that I can't serve my country in any less capacity than any straight man ever has.
I can respect christianity and most christians but I lose respect for the ones that feel their religion gives them the authority to dictate my lifestyle. It's funny that those same folk are the ones screaming how the muslims are trying to push their religion on us.
JuanCarlos
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I also find it interesting that a government run based on the views of religious fundamentalists and policies based on religious conservatism are a bad thing in Iraq or Iran, but somehow something worth preserving here.
And actually Redworm, I really was saying that. I was trying to be diplomatic about it, but really that's what it boils down to. Sorry, a majority of Christian Republicans are backwards bigots.
EDIT: If it's any consolation, you guys do seem to catch up eventually. I hear a majority of you have stopped using the N-word now. You'll get there eventually.
And actually Redworm, I really was saying that. I was trying to be diplomatic about it, but really that's what it boils down to. Sorry, a majority of Christian Republicans are backwards bigots.
EDIT: If it's any consolation, you guys do seem to catch up eventually. I hear a majority of you have stopped using the N-word now. You'll get there eventually.
Wildalaska
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Well said again.
WildimalmostreadyforatiradeAlaska
k I just didn't want to put words in your mouth 
and I will stop that part of my discussion there since you made that other thread so if someone wants to reply to that post I made maybe the other thread would be a better place: http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2290126#post2290126
and I will stop that part of my discussion there since you made that other thread so if someone wants to reply to that post I made maybe the other thread would be a better place: http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2290126#post2290126
JuanCarlos
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Tolerance (at least in this sense) is a strange word. Doesn't always compound the way you'd expect. For instance, intolerance of intolerance is not necessarily "intolerance." And while mere tolerance of intolerance isn't necessarily intolerance, any active encouragement of it is. And tolerance of intolerance is not a virtue...the first amendment means I have to hear what you say, but it doesn't mean I have to like it or respect you as a human being afterwards.
Basically, if I call a KKK member a bigot, I'm not being "intolerant." At least not in the sense of the word being used here. That's just not how it works. Sorry.
EDIT: And Christian Fundamentalists pushing their values on non-Christians, including homosexuals, is basically the 2007 version of the KKK. Less lynching, which is definitely a good thing...but the same bigotry and intolerance.
JuanCarlos
The First Amendment says/means nothing of the kind:
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."
The First Amendment says/means nothing of the kind:
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."
Charshooter
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I could not care less about the “international spectrum” I do care about having a few places where I do not have to listen to liberal rubbish! Mrs. Clinton is a radical liberal in my book. I would say Pat Buchanan represents my political views best, not George Bush, who I feel is an interventionist.
I know my views favor the ‘Old right’ and traditional conservatives such as Russell Kirk and Richard Weaver. I favor a Christian morality and care about the importance of God in our lives. I not planning to harp my political ideology here because there are other conservative sites that such rhetoric is more appropriate.
However, I do not think that this thread deals with firearm issues, as is a smokescreen for a few here that want attention, not persons serious about preserving second amendment rights.
I think this thread and the gay one should be closed; there are many other sites on the web for you to espouse your liberal views.
I know my views favor the ‘Old right’ and traditional conservatives such as Russell Kirk and Richard Weaver. I favor a Christian morality and care about the importance of God in our lives. I not planning to harp my political ideology here because there are other conservative sites that such rhetoric is more appropriate.
However, I do not think that this thread deals with firearm issues, as is a smokescreen for a few here that want attention, not persons serious about preserving second amendment rights.
I think this thread and the gay one should be closed; there are many other sites on the web for you to espouse your liberal views.
JuanCarlos
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So yeah. Congress shall make no law saying that bigoted people can't speak their bigoted minds. I suppose it doesn't say I have to hear them...I can always just avoid them. But I meant "hear what you say" in the "you are able to speak your mind" sense...so without resorting to weapons-grade pedantry pretty much the same thing.
Or is there a part in that amendment that says I have to like what you say or respect you afterwards. 'Cause I certainly didn't see that.
What was your point again?
JuanCarlos
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L&P threads need not be firearms related. Need not be second-amendment related. You have the option to stay out of the thread, and it'll never bother you again I promise. Alternately, there are other forums where you can be relatively safe from such discussion. Including the rest of this forum, outside L&P.
CobrayCommando
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Okay... Instead of complaining, what are you going to do about it (who you view as bigoted neanderthals being the majority of pro-2nd folks), or what do you expect others who agree with you to do?
This is what you really need to think about. I would be very interested in what you have to say.
Directed at WA and JC.
This is what you really need to think about. I would be very interested in what you have to say.
Directed at WA and JC.
Wildalaska
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What do we need to do?
Simple: People are people. Every legitimate citizen wakes up, breathes, poops, eats, pays their taxes (mostly) and just wants to live their lives. I honestly dont care if they are transgendered, gay, lez, communist leaning, black, white, latino, jewish, wiccan as long as they stay out of MY life. We cannot reject folks because of what they say or do in their personal life. We need to INCLUDE, not EXCLUDE.
ya want political correctness, bigotry, hatred and all the rest of the screeching...let the lefties do it.
You beleive in gun ownership as an essential part of freedom? If you do, then let folks be free. Your personal sexual morality should take second place.
WildrantingissoimminenticantstanditAlaska
Simple: People are people. Every legitimate citizen wakes up, breathes, poops, eats, pays their taxes (mostly) and just wants to live their lives. I honestly dont care if they are transgendered, gay, lez, communist leaning, black, white, latino, jewish, wiccan as long as they stay out of MY life. We cannot reject folks because of what they say or do in their personal life. We need to INCLUDE, not EXCLUDE.
ya want political correctness, bigotry, hatred and all the rest of the screeching...let the lefties do it.
You beleive in gun ownership as an essential part of freedom? If you do, then let folks be free. Your personal sexual morality should take second place.
WildrantingissoimminenticantstanditAlaska