You're forgetting the more important question of why it happens. It's not like the media is simply making these things up or are being controlled by some secret cabal of gun haters. Anyone who believes this is the case is just another example of the paranoid conspiracy theoriest that is giving the rest of us gun owners a bad name.I'll try to make it simple. Just who is it that "marginalizes" gun owners and categorizes them as "right-wing extremists"? Would it be fair to say that comes from the media?
The New York Times and The Washington Post are on record as being opposed to private ownership of ANY firearms. I certainly hope that this isn't new to you."It's not like the media is simply making these things up or are being controlled by some secret cabal of gun haters. Anyone who believes this is the case is just another example of the paranoid conspiracy theoriest that is giving the rest of us gun owners a bad name."
And? So they're not allowed to hold a certain opinion? Once again we seem to be ignoring the questions of why they feel this way and have this opinion of gun owners as right wing extremists. It's not just being pulled out of thin air.The New York Times and The Washington Post are on record as being opposed to private ownership of ANY firearms. I certainly hope that this isn't new to you.
I'll try to make it simple. Just who is it that "marginalizes" and "demonizes" gun owners and categorizes them as "right-wing extremists"? Would it be fair to say that comes from the media?
Just look at General Pace's comments about gays in the military. And people wonder why the left has a hard time supporting the military when its leaders clamor about how it must remain the exclusive all boys club without any of those fruits - even the desperatly essential Arabic cryptolinguists - causing a drop in morale among uniformed bigots.The media may report it, but gunowners as a whole categorize themselves as right-wing extremists. See, for instance, any thread here on topics such as immigration or gay marriage.
The media may report it, but gunowners as a whole categorize themselves as right-wing extremists. See, for instance, any thread here on topics such as immigration or gay marriage.
"Maybe its nostalgia, but I remember when guns werent demonized....blame the lefties for doing that? maybe in part, but I blame gun owners themselves..."
"Demonizing" guns is a major ploy on the part of those who would rid society of the damn things. "Saturday night specials", "assault rifles", "gun culture" and like phraseology are used in attempts to make an inanimate object appear evil. Using such tactics to make ownership of certain guns, or all guns, illegal can hardly be attributed to gun owners.
"the open-minded left"
Look around here. Gaybashing, thinly veiled racism, and conspiracy theories (ranging from the mildly plausible to the "black helicopter" fantastic). Spelling California with a K and juxtaposing a prominent politician's name with that of a bloodthirsty terrorist are the height of wit and rational debate for many. When all else fails we fall back on lovely catchphrases regarding our "cold, dead hands."
This is what the "mainstream" sees when they look at gunowners...at least (and especially) at those who want to own such things as "assault rifles." It's not like we're reaching out to the middle, or even the open-minded left...we're retreating into shell, talking about how much we hate everybody and how society is changing, and arming ourselves.
Well said! Time to purge or marginalize and bring guns back into the mainstream.
"It's not like the media is simply making these things up or are being controlled by some secret cabal of gun haters. Anyone who believes this is the case is just another example of the paranoid conspiracy theoriest that is giving the rest of us gun owners a bad name."
I'm not talking about American representatives on my comment about far left and far right, I am talking about idealogy and policy relating to those positions.
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"the open-minded left"
That certainly qualifies as the oxymoron of the day!
"All I know is that it seems to be the Democrat Party that pushes gun control, its the Democrat Party that pushes gay Marriage, Higher Taxes, Pro-Abortion....."
Gaybashing, thinly veiled racism, and conspiracy theories (ranging from the mildly plausible to the "black helicopter" fantastic). Spelling California with a K and juxtaposing a prominent politician's name with that of a bloodthirsty terrorist are the height of wit and rational debate for many.
Yeah, and the right is a bastion of open-mindedness and reason.Yup. All of the bleeding heart liberals I know are impervious to reason. It's like trying to tell a 17th century Catholic priest about evolution, it's going against everything he's been taught since birth. Same with many in California."the open-minded left"
That certainly qualifies as the oxymoron of the day!
You are just so.......so.......so........intolerant.
I know for a fact that on many leftist forums conspiracy theories suggesting that Bush really blew up the towers, a variety of different scenarios for the Shotgun Cheney incident etc. That the war was really for oil and had been planned for years along with a pipeline isn't even considered a conspiracy theory now.
Bush has been likened to Hitler HOW MANY TIMES NOW?! Many of these aren't fringe Democrats I'm talking about and I think you know it.
What you have in reality on TFL is a representation of American gun owners. We are the NRA