Anti-Gun activist breaks Gun Free Zone Law

Post #38....

I disagree with a few of the points in post #38.
The State's Atty Office in my area just had a formal inquiry into the issue of too many people avoiding formal charges when caught packing heat in restricted areas. Are all those gun owners/license holders celebs or pro athletes or wealthy? No.
I think my remarks were misunderstood too; I honestly don't think the guy "forgot" he was wearing a loaded firearm when he went on school property. His claim might not be accepted(a point that to my knowledge has not been adjudicated in the courts).

CF
 
noelf2 said:
If he simply gets a hand slap and sent on his way, that would set a precedent for leniency for future forgetful carriers. Wouldn't that be a good thing?
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Not IMHO.

Condoning or encouraging arbitrary and capricious enforcement of laws is IMHO never a good thing. If a law is a bad law, it should be repealed, not sidestepped and circumvented when it's inconvenient to enforce it equally against violators who are purported to be "good people."
 
44 AMP said:
Is it just me, perhaps because I am an enthusiast, but has anyone actually "forgotten" they were wearing a gun? Seriously?
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I did once, sort of.

I was out on a series of errands, with a gazillion things on my mind. There was an envelope on the front seat of my car that I wanted to mail, but I wasn't sure if the weight was going to kick me up to needing extra postage, so I didn't just drop it in a mailbox.

My regular post office has no parking lot, so it's routine to park on the street, disarm and secure the gun in the car, enter the post office and transact my business, then get back in the car and reholster. On my errands itinerary, I happened to pass by a post office, so I pulled into their parking lot (behind the building), parked, grabbed my envelope, and headed for the door. I had opened the door when the enormity of what I was doing struck me like the proverbial bolt from the blue:

"Oh, [bleep]! I just parked my car is a post office parking lot and I just walked into a post office with gun strapped to my waist. LEMME OUTTA HERE!"

So, yeah -- I can see that there might be a momentary lapse. But to carry into a school, and to know that the school is being locked down because of a [GASP!] man-with-a-gun, and still not remember that "Hey! I'VE got a gun!" just strains credibility.
 
Memory lapses happen to everyone. Parents leave babies to die in hot cars.

I once was in the parking lot and saw a woman leave her wallet on the top of the car and start to drive. I honked at her and she gave me the stink eye.

I pointed out her wallet and her friends gave it to her for being so nasty to someone trying to help her.

A colleague today left a wallet and keys by the microwave.
 
Condoning or encouraging arbitrary and capricious enforcement of laws is IMHO never a good thing. If a law is a bad law, it should be repealed, not sidestepped and circumvented when it's inconvenient to enforce it equally against violators who are purported to be "good people."
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Never say never! If it were you that walked into the school, you'd think capricious enforcement of that law would be right swell. Same for me, and same for the fool that did it. I won't fall on my sword for a stupid law. That would just be stupid.. ;)
 
Texas deputy; death of 2/two LE K9s....

Today I read a media item of a former sheriff's deputy who was held accountable for the tragic deaths of two law enforcement K9s :eek:.
The cop "forgot" to check on or remove the dogs from his LE vehicle & they died. He reportedly left them in the heat for 12-14 hours!
:mad:

Around 5/6 years ago, Id heard of a similar event. A "undercover" DEA special agent was disciplined by his supervisors for allowing a K9 working dog to die while in his care. The media item didn't really explain how a undercover drug cop had a dog, :confused: but his lax attitude caused the dog's death.

Clyde
PS; sorry if these examples seem off topic but some people do get careless
 
I don't know much about this guy other than what I'm seeing in the recent news. What I am seeing all agrees on one central point: Mr. Ferguson has actively advocated for stronger penalties for carrying a weapon on school grounds. Not for stronger penalties for shooting in schools, but for carrying.

Advocating for stronger penalties for an action while asking for leniency for the same action shows is hypocracy. I don't care about his other views. He should be charged with a felony. Hate to see it happen to a guy working to make his neighborhood better, but it would set a great example. When you screw up, you pay the price. As it is now, he is serving a poor example for the kids who look up to him, by trying to weasel out of a clear mistake he made, that has serious consequences.
 
Sounds like a great reason to repeal the SAFE(cough-cough) Act. Heck, even his friends are making the same arguments that good, rational citizens have made for years! Yes, a good guy with a gun in the right place and the right time CAN be a good thing! Imagine that.
 
Heck, even his friends are making the same arguments that good, rational citizens have made for years!
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I don't think they are. If asked, I guarantee his supporters think the SAFE Act is a good law; they just don't want their friend to suffer for it.
 
Tom Servo said:
I don't think they are. If asked, I guarantee his supporters think the SAFE Act is a good law; they just don't want their friend to suffer for it.
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Tom, the guys friends are making the same arguments that the pro-gun community makes, and the article cited in the OP even says so:

Kwaitkowski said:
“The more they make these gun-free zones, the more they make people vulnerable to mass killers like at Columbine and Sandy Hook,” said Stephen J. Aldstadt, a Colden resident who serves as president of the state Shooters Committee on Political Education.

Some of Ferguson’s supporters echoed similar criticism, saying that carrying a weapon meant Ferguson could have helped police in the event there was a gunman actually threatening students.

“Dwayne probably was in a position to help the police not knowing that he was the one they were looking for,” said George Johnson, president of Buffalo United Front,
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This is the hypocracy we are talking about. They are using our arguments to try to justify what the guy did. It's easy to demonize gun owners until one of your own finds himself in the spotlight...
 
Does NY law allow for a Permit Holder to carry on school property with special permission? Some states do.

If so, I wonder if this "permission" will magically appear in the coming days/weeks.
 
Brown and Brinkworth also revealed new details about the incident, which started with an anonymous call to the school and culminated with an extensive search by the SWAT team.

The school received the call about 4:15 p.m. notifying staff that someone had entered the school with a gun. Brown and Brinkworth said it is not yet clear who placed the call. Around that time, 911 received two calls about the incident, prompting the school to go into lockdown and touching off a search of the building by police and SWAT team responders.
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This is quite curious. If someone saw the gun on him, was concerned and made the call, it would seem they would be willing to step forward.
 
Not so curious

Political power is a funny thing. I'm thinking an enemy knows who he was and that he regularly carried.
Stepping forward would put them under the spotlight and this guy probably has the clout to come after the reporting party with the full weight of the local political machine.

Speculation on my part.
I'm also speculating that our good public servant will do no time in jail and get off with nary a hiccup.
 
ClydeFrog said:
I understand the points the TFL members are making but I don't "assume" this guy is fully anti-2A or anti-gun. I think his beliefs are geared more towards ending gun violence & gang activity in the local schools/youth groups.
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Honestly, this tells me that you don't know what the unSAFE Act is. Look it up, then tell me that someone who supports it doesn't support "all" gun control.

You should also check on how much of this "gun violence" is happening in NY, outside the gang controlled inner cities, how much of even THAT violence is happening with "Assault weapons" and how many of those criminals are going to down-load their magazines from 10 to 7 rounds. (The answer to all three questions is, none.)


Of course, "all" is not literal. He may not support armed confiscation with executions for anyone who so mush as mentions resistance and every firearm crushed in the streets by bulldozers but we know what "all" means, right?
 
They are using our arguments to try to justify what the guy did. It's easy to demonize gun owners until one of your own finds himself in the spotlight.
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Perhaps, but only as long as it suits them. If you or I were in Ferguson's situation, they'd be screaming for the book to be thrown at us.
 
Not so curious
Political power is a funny thing. I'm thinking an enemy knows who he was and that he regularly carried.
Stepping forward would put them under the spotlight and this guy probably has the clout to come after the reporting party with the full weight of the local political machine.
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That's why it's curious (to me). Makes me think there is more to the story than someone seeing that he had a gun and actually being concerned. This should not change how and whether the law should be enforced against him, but makes the story even more interesting.
 
Armorer-at-Law said:
That's why it's curious (to me). Makes me think there is more to the story than someone seeing that he had a gun and actually being concerned.
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Indeed this story is full of holes.

It is also gaining some attention. It was featured this morning on the Bizarre Files, a segment of oddball news stories on the morning radio show on WMMR out of Philadelphia. The hosts got a good chuckle out of how this guy is facing possible charges under a law that he pushed to pass.
 
Wouldn't it be ironic if the guy had flipped his nut and planned on taking hostages or something?

Everybody says he's such a great guy, but, you always hear that about some scum bag that goes on a spree.

I guess we'll all just have to wait until Friday when he's supposed to be arraigned.
 
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