Anti-Gun activist breaks Gun Free Zone Law
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Lt. Skrumpledonk Ret
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ClydeFrog, do you know him?
No, my point(s)....
I don't know the guy myself but I travel/work in the metro NY/NJ/CT area often.
I often see the "no guns" signs & know that some citizens in these communities are more opinionated than others about concealed guns/2A issues.
My good friend took nearly a calendar year to get his formal gun permit from Westchester County New York. He has to register his pistol; a M&P Compact .45acp that he only uses for home protection & target shooting(no CCW). If he buys any new firearms he must add them to his government records,
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I understand the points the TFL members are making but I don't "assume" this guy is fully anti-2A or anti-gun. I think his beliefs are geared more towards ending gun violence & gang activity in the local schools/youth groups.
Years ago, in the metro Pittsburgh PA area, Id heard a media story about a young man who spoke out in school/public groups against a few local street gangs. The gang members got so fed up with the guy they tracked him down & killed him.
I don't know the guy myself but I travel/work in the metro NY/NJ/CT area often.
I often see the "no guns" signs & know that some citizens in these communities are more opinionated than others about concealed guns/2A issues.
My good friend took nearly a calendar year to get his formal gun permit from Westchester County New York. He has to register his pistol; a M&P Compact .45acp that he only uses for home protection & target shooting(no CCW). If he buys any new firearms he must add them to his government records,
.I understand the points the TFL members are making but I don't "assume" this guy is fully anti-2A or anti-gun. I think his beliefs are geared more towards ending gun violence & gang activity in the local schools/youth groups.
Years ago, in the metro Pittsburgh PA area, Id heard a media story about a young man who spoke out in school/public groups against a few local street gangs. The gang members got so fed up with the guy they tracked him down & killed him.
Uncle Buck
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It will be very interesting to see where this case goes. I am betting it gets quietly pushed aside.
As many others have pointed out around the inter-web, gun free zones just make the work of criminals easier while putting people at risk.
After my uncle had been robbed three times by the same group of guys, he put up a sign that said "Attendant is Armed". Never was robbed again.
As many others have pointed out around the inter-web, gun free zones just make the work of criminals easier while putting people at risk.
After my uncle had been robbed three times by the same group of guys, he put up a sign that said "Attendant is Armed". Never was robbed again.
I doubt it. Case law is examined when one case is very similar to a (or several) previous case(s). No Billed is lack of sufficient evidence. You don't need previous cases lacking evidence to establish the fact that lacking sufficient evidence is a good reason to stop the show.
Questionable judgement...
Is it just me, perhaps because I am an enthusiast, but has anyone actually "forgotten" they were wearing a gun? Seriously?
I don't mean, forgotten where you put it, or "forgot" you weren't supposed to have it in a certain place, but just "forgotten" you had it ON YOUR PERSON?
You carry it right, you carry it often, you carry it for a long time, over time, and you do get to the point where you are not aware of it every conscious moment, but you never "forget" you have it on.
or do you?
Perhaps the first step in the NY tactical drill is now
#1 Remember whether or not you have a gun.
If his grasp on reality is such that he can actually forget he's wearing a gun what the blazes is he doing in public office in the first place? perhaps he has simply been "forgetting" to read the laws he is supporting? Best he has direct deposit, so he won't forget to pick up his paycheck...
What will he do next? use his gun as a laser pointer?
Is it just me, perhaps because I am an enthusiast, but has anyone actually "forgotten" they were wearing a gun? Seriously?
I don't mean, forgotten where you put it, or "forgot" you weren't supposed to have it in a certain place, but just "forgotten" you had it ON YOUR PERSON?
You carry it right, you carry it often, you carry it for a long time, over time, and you do get to the point where you are not aware of it every conscious moment, but you never "forget" you have it on.
or do you?
Perhaps the first step in the NY tactical drill is now
#1 Remember whether or not you have a gun.
If his grasp on reality is such that he can actually forget he's wearing a gun what the blazes is he doing in public office in the first place? perhaps he has simply been "forgetting" to read the laws he is supporting? Best he has direct deposit, so he won't forget to pick up his paycheck...
What will he do next? use his gun as a laser pointer?
Case Law is simply the law as established by the outcome of former cases. Appealed or not.
Well I haven't. But if this guy can walk into a school, get caught wearing a gun, get arrested, and his only defense is "I Forgot". The outcome of his case would be interesting for future cases in that state. "I Forgot" could become as important a phrase as "I was in fear for my life".
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For the children....
I, for 1, disagree.
1st; I do not know the guy or know what his motivations or politics are. Some members here seem able to make those judgements or shape those opinions quickly.
2nd; if he's charged with a felony(or multiple counts) then convicted he won't be able to carry any guns or ammunition legally so it's a moot point.
3rd; I agree it seems disingenuous or difficult to think the man did not know he had a concealed weapon on him but people get busted all the time bringing guns into airports, medical centers, government buildings, courts, etc.
Many of these armed citizens did in fact make honest mistakes & did not face felony charges.
I read a media item about a off duty sworn LE officer who was busted for being armed in a sports arena in Washington DC. Shouldn't the LE officer know the law or statue?
I, for 1, disagree.
1st; I do not know the guy or know what his motivations or politics are. Some members here seem able to make those judgements or shape those opinions quickly.
2nd; if he's charged with a felony(or multiple counts) then convicted he won't be able to carry any guns or ammunition legally so it's a moot point.
3rd; I agree it seems disingenuous or difficult to think the man did not know he had a concealed weapon on him but people get busted all the time bringing guns into airports, medical centers, government buildings, courts, etc.
Many of these armed citizens did in fact make honest mistakes & did not face felony charges.
I read a media item about a off duty sworn LE officer who was busted for being armed in a sports arena in Washington DC. Shouldn't the LE officer know the law or statue?
His motivations don't matter. His behavior does. His behavior is not only illegal vis a vis a law he strongly supported, but he's now claiming to be ignorant of it! And at the same time using his position on the law to try to get away with breaking it? Surely you see the duplicity in this, do you not?
He's not going to get charged with anything.
That is ludicrous on its face. I find it astonishing you would even contemplate sympathizing with it.
Sure, they make this claim all the time - and there may even be a grain of truth in some cases - I guess some people are foolish enough not to check the contents of bags they are taking to an airport. But this "excuse" doesn't work except for the rich, famous, and politically connected. It's not a legitimate defense.
As stated above, it's generally, the rich, famous and politically connected who avoid prosecution, not the general citizenry.
Like many other LE officers might, he was probably expecting "professional courtesy". Just because he expected it doesn't mean he's entitled to it.
I haven't, but I take the act of carrying a lethal weapon seriously. It's surprising how many folks don't.
That said, none of us would receive any degree of leniency if we carried a gun into a school in New York. Quite the opposite. We'd be portrayed as dangerous vigilantes, and the system would go out of its way to "make an example" out of us.
This guy is going to get a pass because of nepotism, plain and simple. Unfortunately, that's nothing new in New York.
Fishing_Cabin
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44 AMP said:
I have known some over the years to forget they had a firearm before trying to enter a restricted area, and others to forget to retrieve them from lock boxes when they leave. Same thing with people leaving a firearm sitting on top of the toilet tank in store bathroom. Known a few others to forget they had a firearm after being asked a few times, until they were searched incident to arrest. So it can and does happen for some people to forget they have a firearm in a holster on their person, and it happens that people forget to retrieve a firearm as well (bathroom toilet, your buddies car, house, etc).
steve4102 said:
No because case law, as was already mentioned is generally set by an appeals court or higher, and while I am not sure on NY procedural law, in other states, a "No Bill" by one grand jury doesn't mean anything if the prosecutor really wants to push it. Depending on the state, it can be presented more than once to different grand juries. There is a debate as to how common this practice is, but it does happen.