Another nut goes on a rampage

The good news is: Elliot Rodgers had been prescribed a drug called Risperidone.
How is that good news?

Look, the correlation between SSRI's and these shootings is hard to miss, but that's not causation. Plenty of people use these drugs without going on murderous rampages, just like plenty of people own guns without going on massive rampages.
 
If you watch the video then you know this guy was a spoiled entitled brat who needed his butt whipped as a child. His writings reinforce this. We can all have a kid that gets off course and does stupid things. When they blame their actions on everyone else, you know the apple didn't fall too far from the tree.
 
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When they blame their actions on everyone else, you know the apple didn't fall too far from the tree.
No, we don't know that at all. Based on his circumstances, I'm tempted to blame apathetic parenting, but I have no proof of that.
 
How is that good news?

Read the rest of my post: Rodgers refused to take his meds.

Look, the correlation between SSRI's and these shootings is hard to miss, but that's not causation.

Maybe.

My point is: We don't know what would have happened if Rodgers had taken his meds. For all we know Respiridone may have turned him into a pussycat.

BTW: Elliott Rodgers was treated by a psychiatrist from age nine.
 
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Will Beararms said:
He had BDD----belt deficit disorder. It's rampant these days.
Heh, heh.

I'm old enough to understand your reference. Today, disciplining a child with a belt is chargeable as "child abuse" or "assault and battery." Small wonder the youth of today have no grounding in reality or responsibility, or the notion that actions have consequences.
 
Age 50 here: yes sir, no sir, yes mam, no man. May I be excused from the table sir/mam? Maybe it would not have made a difference. We still practice this in my home today.
 
BTW: Elliott Rodgers was treated by a psychiatrist from age nine
He was, but it appears he never did anything to get himself adjudicated mentally incompetent. Without that, there's no way to bar him from firearms ownership.
 
wow. risperidone is pretty heavy stuff. it is an antipsychotic, usually reserved for difficult cases of schizophrenia, bipolar, etc. I think there are off label uses but not frequent. Sounds like Mr. Rodger may have been diagnosed schizophrenic ? I'm guessing based on those heavy meds
 
How is that good news?

Look, the correlation between SSRI's and these shootings is hard to miss, but that's not causation. Plenty of people use these drugs without going on murderous rampages, just like plenty of people own guns without going on massive rampages.

You're right of course. Still, if you have some time to waste in the near future, have a peek at the warnings on the frequently used psychiatric drugs. Some if not all of the SSRI's have the sternest, aka black box warning on suicide potential. Not sure on risperidone, it is not thrown around willy nilly like SSRI's are in GP offices. THat's one you really have to be involved with a psychatrist to be placed on.
 
He was, but it appears he never did anything to get himself adjudicated mentally incompetent. Without that, there's no way to bar him from firearms ownership.

Indeed. Sad to say it's just a case of slipped through the cracks, and it will probably happen again, and no amount of legislation or triple-checking is going to prevent occasional instances.

Lack of fear of god, nuclear families, single parent homes, no kitchen table time, glorifying shooters on TV, Games like call of duty; these will all continue to degrade our core ethics that once prevented stuff like this.
 
It seems that in most of these incidents, the family of the murderer was in significant denial prior to the incident. Why, I don't know.

Separately, I am disgusted at the media's jackal-like coverage of this tragedy.
 
I look at it this way - regardless of what his parent did/didn't do, he was 22, a legal adult. I was back in the States with a West Pac deployment under my belt by age 21. This murderer may have had issues from Day One, but whatever happened, he and he alone bears the responsibility for his actions. I blame California for the fact that none of the victims outside of his apartment were able to effectively defend themselves.
I am curious is he was prescribed Ritalin as a child, due to the oft repeated supposition that many if not all of the school shooters were on or had been in that stuff.
 
Looks like Elliot Rodger is another one who has slipped through the cracks in our mental health care system

The problem is that we don't have a mental health care "system". I think they should put an addendum into the affordable care act requiring that insurance companies be required to insure for mental health when someone buys health insurance. People also have to also be more aware of the signs in family members and such. But I think all of that makes too much sense to actually happen...:(
 
Lack of fear of god, nuclear families, single parent homes, no kitchen table time, glorifying shooters on TV, Games like call of duty; these will all continue to degrade our core ethics that once prevented stuff like this.

I agree with all of those except video games. Video games do not cause violence anymore than John Wayne does when he shoots someone in one of his movies. Children have played violent games since the dawn of time. They play cops and robbers, dodge ball, smear the queer, they pick up sticks and fight each other with them like they're swords, etc. Nowadays though parents are too afraid to let they're kids be kids, so kids compensate by playing violent video games with their friends instead of violent real life games with their friends.
 
It appears that high dollar automobiles are the problem and should be banned.

Apparently, another nutcase ran his Saab into a crowd of people in 2001 at over 60 mph killing four. He then exited the car, stood on the roof, and shouted "I'm the Angel of Death!"

The city where this happened? Isla Vista, CA.

ARTICLE
 
There is one common thread to the crazy people that have killed in mass the last 5 years

Anti Psychotic drug prescriptions

I may not win any popularity contests on this board, but.......

If you have ever been prescribed one of these drugs, your name goes on the list that shows up on the back ground check.

To buy a weapon, you must have 2 doctors approval that you are of sound mind


Before these drugs were available, and before the lawyers got involved, these people were institutionalized to protect themself and others


This single step would have caught a few of these knuckleheads. And taken gun ownership off the front page
 
On another real sad note, this thread has probably gone into more depth as to the real causes and ways to prevent these tragedies than anything we will hear from our politicians today. If the brady bunch and moms against guns really want a solution they need to start with reading this thread. IT AIN"T THE GUNS.
 
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Dean1818,

That's a good plan, as long as you include the same restrictions for those people when they want to buy kitchen knives or get a driver's license.

Otherwise, it's not really about this incident, is it?

pax
 
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