Animal Cruelty?
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Has anyone ever witnessed a sweet dog change into a killer? My dog does not have a mean bone in her body. However, one day we were taking a nature hike. For some reason a squirrel ran up to us. She reached down and grabbed the dummy. I told her "put it down." The animals was dead, crushed in an instance.
When people tell me that hunting and killing are cruel, I remind them that mother nature is cruel. I really think that some folks believe that the movie Bambi is a documentary.
Another example that I just tought of.
Have any of you seen those nature clips of Killer Whales going after seals? They throw them around like rag dolls. They release them and follow them to shore. At the last second they grab the animal and start over. If that ain't cruel, I don't know what is.
Has anyone ever witnessed a sweet dog change into a killer? My dog does not have a mean bone in her body. However, one day we were taking a nature hike. For some reason a squirrel ran up to us. She reached down and grabbed the dummy. I told her "put it down." The animals was dead, crushed in an instance.
When people tell me that hunting and killing are cruel, I remind them that mother nature is cruel. I really think that some folks believe that the movie Bambi is a documentary.
Another example that I just tought of.
Have any of you seen those nature clips of Killer Whales going after seals? They throw them around like rag dolls. They release them and follow them to shore. At the last second they grab the animal and start over. If that ain't cruel, I don't know what is.
re:Hogdogs
I was actually shocked at first. This is a dog that is worthless as a guard dog. She has never growled at anyone or hurt anyone. She has had little kids climbing all over her and she just tolerates it. But, she killed that squirrel just like that. It did remind me that deep inside she is a predator. She has the instinct to kill. Just like I do.
I heard a statement once that at first sounds silly. But if you really think about it, it makes sense. Football, is probably the most popular sport in America. I heard someone say, that if we were not predators by nature, that the game of tackle football would never have been developed. Watch the game, it is a game of predator versus prey. When the quarterback is in the pocket with the ball he essentially becomes the prey. The defensive players are the predators. A tackle is not that different of an act then a lion bring down a zebra.
We humans are killers, plain and simple.
I was actually shocked at first. This is a dog that is worthless as a guard dog. She has never growled at anyone or hurt anyone. She has had little kids climbing all over her and she just tolerates it. But, she killed that squirrel just like that. It did remind me that deep inside she is a predator. She has the instinct to kill. Just like I do.
I heard a statement once that at first sounds silly. But if you really think about it, it makes sense. Football, is probably the most popular sport in America. I heard someone say, that if we were not predators by nature, that the game of tackle football would never have been developed. Watch the game, it is a game of predator versus prey. When the quarterback is in the pocket with the ball he essentially becomes the prey. The defensive players are the predators. A tackle is not that different of an act then a lion bring down a zebra.
We humans are killers, plain and simple.
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Yes it is the natural instinct for all animals with their eyes facing forward... And most with canines and incisors. More folks would do themselves good to see what you seen. I have had numerous dogs in my life that surprised me with this instinct.
Never had one that wouldn't growl at strangers but we had a shep mix that knew she needed to acquire food for her pups as we were broker than broke. I was a young kid and momma sent me out with some thawed food from the freezer and I found a freshly killed cock pheasant in the puppy pen with only a wrung neck... How in the heck this house dog caught it, we will never know. I plucked it and cleaned it and we cooked it for us as it was still warm. The pups got the leftovers later...
Yeah we were hungry too...
Brent
Never had one that wouldn't growl at strangers but we had a shep mix that knew she needed to acquire food for her pups as we were broker than broke. I was a young kid and momma sent me out with some thawed food from the freezer and I found a freshly killed cock pheasant in the puppy pen with only a wrung neck... How in the heck this house dog caught it, we will never know. I plucked it and cleaned it and we cooked it for us as it was still warm. The pups got the leftovers later...
Yeah we were hungry too...Brent
reHogdogs
This young woman I knew years ago had just adopted a Jack Russell Terrier. Some how it had gotten a hold of her neighbors pet bunny. If you know anything about dogs you know the outcome of this encounter. She was horrified by what her dog had done. I tried to explain to her that it was a natural reaction, espically considering the breed. She even gave her dog away.
I suggested that she get a fish bowl and some goldfish.
She then got rid of me.
This young woman I knew years ago had just adopted a Jack Russell Terrier. Some how it had gotten a hold of her neighbors pet bunny. If you know anything about dogs you know the outcome of this encounter. She was horrified by what her dog had done. I tried to explain to her that it was a natural reaction, espically considering the breed. She even gave her dog away.
I suggested that she get a fish bowl and some goldfish.
She then got rid of me.
Probably the best thing to happen to you
I also had a dog that managed to get to a litter of kittens in the closet...
I came home to "kitty parts" all over the master bedroom... even had a "back half" on my pillow
she was another shep mix. Friendly as all get out but that instinct is always there and only humans have a chance to control it 100% of the time.I have a North Carolina buddy who's wife will wreck numerous cars each year running down animals of all size... She will hit a tree just to run down a bunny and she takes down several deer per year with the "Chrome Bullet" as she calls it
Don't even mess with her man!Brent
Killer Whales toy and play with seals once they've caught them out in the open by tossing them out of the water with their tails. This is done for sport (or could be debated as "pleasure") and not for survival. There are many other instances of this in the animal kingdom.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0qMT2YBIcg
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And a nickel spent on a .22 lead aspirin could have saved all that dough!!!
Never mind me... I am the guy who will do free varmint control on a "cat job"...
Feral cats are the devil's pet and it is my duty to rid the earth of them! A cuddly INDOOR cat is fine and I like to cuddle them (at my friend's houses) but outdoors un-tethered is nothing but a target... and a collar with bell makes such a sweet jingle when they do the "red mist polka" Did I mention I consider myself a predatorBrent
Uncle Buck
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Very interesting topic and I am glad to see it being discussed. I have to agree with Farmland and Hogdogs.
There is a difference between inflicting cruelty for YOUR pleasure (including neglecting house pets)and hunting. If you kill the animal as humanely as possible, then I have no problem with it.
Like Farmland, I also raise cattle and pigs and goats and all kinds of poultry. We eat and sell what we raise. We sometimes butcher here at the farm, sometimes we take it the local slaughter house.
But what is cruel? I castrate piglets. They scream and squirm and try to get away from me. Is that cruel? If I do not castrate them, they no longer have any value as a meat animal and what should I do with them? Turn them loose? I can not afford to feed pigs that will not give me a return on my investment. I castrate the bull calves that will not be used for breeding. They grow quicker making it cheaper to feed them. Not many animals will stand calmly by to let you snip or band their testicles.
I wish you could see the damage done to my farm every year by the coyotes, foxes, raccoons, possums and cats. How long am I supposed to sustain this financial drain?
My neighbor is a tree hugger like you would not believe. She must have more than 50 cats running around her place (and mine). She takes a five pound bag of cat food and just pours it on her front porch to feed the cats.
The cats bring in the coyotes and foxes and bobcats. When they run out of food, they follow the stream to my place and start in on my poultry and goats. So yes, I also shoot cats around my place. (SIDE NOTE: I have noticed the song birds have increased since I began culling her cats.)
I think it is cruel that she has all these cats and they have to stay outside in the freezing weather, but she thinks she is doing a good deed by feeding them. She has no idea what the consequences of her actions are. People are always dropping off cats, and occasionally dogs, at her place or along the road by the farm. I feel my only responsibility to these animals is to end the suffering they are going to face.
I can not trap them and take them to the animal shelter because then I have to pay to put them in the shelter. (The last time I took a cat and her kittens to the shelter, I think they wanted me to pay $15 for each animal.)
What about the damage these animals cause to our gardens?
The animal rights activist have no idea what they have created. PETA is bunch of hypocritical jerks. Look how many shelters they actually support verses the amount of money they raise. Look how many ranchers and farmers are loosing livestock to re-introduced predators. We all can not live in the city and buy our food at the local store.
To sum it up, I feel if an animal is dispatched with the least amount of pain you have available, then that is not cruelty. What you do with the animal carcass afterwards in your business.
There is a difference between inflicting cruelty for YOUR pleasure (including neglecting house pets)and hunting. If you kill the animal as humanely as possible, then I have no problem with it.
Like Farmland, I also raise cattle and pigs and goats and all kinds of poultry. We eat and sell what we raise. We sometimes butcher here at the farm, sometimes we take it the local slaughter house.
But what is cruel? I castrate piglets. They scream and squirm and try to get away from me. Is that cruel? If I do not castrate them, they no longer have any value as a meat animal and what should I do with them? Turn them loose? I can not afford to feed pigs that will not give me a return on my investment. I castrate the bull calves that will not be used for breeding. They grow quicker making it cheaper to feed them. Not many animals will stand calmly by to let you snip or band their testicles.
I wish you could see the damage done to my farm every year by the coyotes, foxes, raccoons, possums and cats. How long am I supposed to sustain this financial drain?
My neighbor is a tree hugger like you would not believe. She must have more than 50 cats running around her place (and mine). She takes a five pound bag of cat food and just pours it on her front porch to feed the cats.
The cats bring in the coyotes and foxes and bobcats. When they run out of food, they follow the stream to my place and start in on my poultry and goats. So yes, I also shoot cats around my place. (SIDE NOTE: I have noticed the song birds have increased since I began culling her cats.)
I think it is cruel that she has all these cats and they have to stay outside in the freezing weather, but she thinks she is doing a good deed by feeding them. She has no idea what the consequences of her actions are. People are always dropping off cats, and occasionally dogs, at her place or along the road by the farm. I feel my only responsibility to these animals is to end the suffering they are going to face.
I can not trap them and take them to the animal shelter because then I have to pay to put them in the shelter. (The last time I took a cat and her kittens to the shelter, I think they wanted me to pay $15 for each animal.)
What about the damage these animals cause to our gardens?
The animal rights activist have no idea what they have created. PETA is bunch of hypocritical jerks. Look how many shelters they actually support verses the amount of money they raise. Look how many ranchers and farmers are loosing livestock to re-introduced predators. We all can not live in the city and buy our food at the local store.
To sum it up, I feel if an animal is dispatched with the least amount of pain you have available, then that is not cruelty. What you do with the animal carcass afterwards in your business.
I can only wish my own death to be as quick as some of the animals I have killed.My worst fear would be to suffer a long and lingering death.
ANYONE who intentionally tortures an animal for thier own pleasure is sick and deserves to die a similar fate.I don't care if you kill an animal or not but it's your responsiblilty to end it quickly without the animal suffering.
ANYONE who intentionally tortures an animal for thier own pleasure is sick and deserves to die a similar fate.I don't care if you kill an animal or not but it's your responsiblilty to end it quickly without the animal suffering.
L_Killkenny
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Threads like these are always the worst possible scenarios. Ethics are, and always should be, ones own. As long as a person operates with-in the law they are good to go. No one here (I hope) is gonna say it's good to torture animals. But in hunting there is death. There is also suffering. You can't hide from and YOU SHOULDN'T. Animals in the wild DO kill for the sake and fun of killing. They will play with half dead critters. They will do things like killing whole groups of chickens just to do it. If you don't believe that you need to get ones head outta the sand. Nature is nature and I am an ultimate predator. I'm not gonna hide from it. There is nothing to be gained from BS like this. You're not gonna change any body's mind no matter which side of the argument you are on. You can only call it an argument, to call it a debate would mean the possibility to sway someones mind. Not gonna happen. Any death that I deal out to a critter, no matter how long and painful, is not as bad as many animals suffer in the wild. It's also not nearly and long and painful as the death that critter dishes out to it's prey. I could wound a coyote or coon, let it linger to die a long and slow death, and in the grand scheme of things, actually reduce the amount of suffering in nature. Bunny huggers think that we should evolve beyond our natural instincts. To do so would be unnatural. Any thread involving ethics should be closed IMO. Nothing to gain.
LK
LK
I wonder if it was cruel to save a cats life like I did.I walked out to the barn and found a litter of ice cold kittens,there was about 4-5 kittens,all stiff.I went to pick them up and all the sudden one just came alive,it was cold,almost stiff,but meowing loud,so I took it in the house and warmed it up and began drop feeding it with milk,it was only a day or 2 old.Well,it survived,and 6 years later that cat is still around going strong,but,it is very slow.It is retarded,can't purr,can't meow now,it's just dumb,I have seen it run right into the path of dogs,etc.Luckily we got it fixed so that she couldn't have babies.If she had babies she probably wouldn't be able to take care of them.It's nickname is dumdum,but what have I created?
^^^ Tough call in my opinion; i wouldn't want to live life at half speed, mentally speaking. Of course, i seriously doubt the cat realizes it is dumb, and i doubt the other cats are smart enough to make fun of its lack of mental abilities. Does this mean all mentally ill children should be "put down"; certainly not. It's probably good i don't have kids.
I have done CPR on new born pups knowing they might "not be all there upstairs" from oxygen loss... thus far none have gone on to survive more than a few days so i don't know but I tried my best. The ones born to sorry mothers were the last as I won't continue to feed a gyp dog that is a poor mother.
To me it shows they lack a genetic trait required of superior specimens of any specie...
I guess mrs.h-dogs spoiled me there...
Brent
To me it shows they lack a genetic trait required of superior specimens of any specie...
I guess mrs.h-dogs spoiled me there...
Brent
wyobohunter
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Cruel or sensible?
My wife called me at work because she couldn't find our dog... She was worried that she may have ran down to the highway & got hit. I came home early (for my wifes sake) to look for the dog. She caught me stuffing shells into the shotgun and was extremely alarmed. "She might be lost in the woods and the bears have been gettin' the guy down the roads' chickens" I explained. Yeah, that was true, but (also) a single slug is way cheaper than a vet bill can be. Not that I'd have shot the dog if it were a minor injury, but if we're talkin' intensive care treatment I've put her out of her misery. My wife is from the city part of Florida and hasn't been around farms, ranches or hunting right up until she moved to Wyoming. She actually cried (sobbing cries) when she saw me stomp on a wounded Grouse's head to finish it off. I didn't know she was watching me out the window. Again, not cruel IMO, fast and effective. The wife will eat game and fish I bring home, but she'll take no part in the harvest. She, as many on this forum do, feels that it is cruel to shoot/kill animals that I have no intention of eating. I'm not at war with varmints at all, but I'll shoot the occasional Coyote and would like to take one each of a really nice Wolf, Lynx and Wolverine. I'm hopin' & prayin' that my two daughters aren't quite as "tender hearted".
My wife called me at work because she couldn't find our dog... She was worried that she may have ran down to the highway & got hit. I came home early (for my wifes sake) to look for the dog. She caught me stuffing shells into the shotgun and was extremely alarmed. "She might be lost in the woods and the bears have been gettin' the guy down the roads' chickens" I explained. Yeah, that was true, but (also) a single slug is way cheaper than a vet bill can be. Not that I'd have shot the dog if it were a minor injury, but if we're talkin' intensive care treatment I've put her out of her misery. My wife is from the city part of Florida and hasn't been around farms, ranches or hunting right up until she moved to Wyoming. She actually cried (sobbing cries) when she saw me stomp on a wounded Grouse's head to finish it off. I didn't know she was watching me out the window. Again, not cruel IMO, fast and effective. The wife will eat game and fish I bring home, but she'll take no part in the harvest. She, as many on this forum do, feels that it is cruel to shoot/kill animals that I have no intention of eating. I'm not at war with varmints at all, but I'll shoot the occasional Coyote and would like to take one each of a really nice Wolf, Lynx and Wolverine. I'm hopin' & prayin' that my two daughters aren't quite as "tender hearted".
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