In my local school system the SRO is a Deputy Sheriff and carries his duty sidearm (Glock 22). I'm not sure how it is now but when I was in high school (10+ years ago) one SRO was assigned to six schools encompassing all students in the county. I seem to remember someone mentioning they'd assigned more in recent years but that may or may not be true or it may have been brought up during a commissioner's budget meeting and that's what I'm remembering.
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In my local school system the SRO is a Deputy Sheriff and carries his duty sidearm (Glock 22). I'm not sure how it is now but when I was in high school (10+ years ago) one SRO was assigned to six schools encompassing all students in the county. I seem to remember someone mentioning they'd assigned more in recent years but that may or may not be true or it may have been brought up during a commissioner's budget meeting and that's what I'm remembering.
Double Naught Spy
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A quick peek at history tells us the Alamo was too big to be defended by so few. A big school with a couple guards might be the same problem. Now we're trying to make forts out of schools. Might as well home school and be near our own equiptment.
Poor analogy. We aren't trying to make the schools be forts and we aren't defending each against thousands of combatants. School schools are not trying to capture land or a strategic point. SROs trained to stop shooters are not there to hold the school, but as a deterrent and if that fails, to limit harm as best as possible. Schools are not a seige situation.
Besides, homeschooling would just subject those already in a bad environment to more domestic violence, thereby increasing the odds for childhood injury and death.
Aguila Blanca
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:cough: :cough: Beslan.DNS said:Schools are not a seige situation.
Lt. Colonel David Grossman has been warning us that lone school shooters are not our major worry. He points out (to those who are listening) that Al Quaeda has declared school children "legitimate" targets for terrorist attacks. Dave Grossman is perhaps our country's top counter-terrorism expert. It is my understanding that his view is that we should be preparing now for when (not "if") they start attacking our schools.
Punisher_1
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My wife is a high school teacher and a former Military Police Officer and though armed teachers might have an effect on active shooters she doesn't think most teachers should be armed. They are educators, a somewhat different breed of person. She's not talking about ex law enforcement or prior military teachers but the career teacher. Secondly there are way more physical encounters with students meaning now you have to deal with weapon retention issues while delaling with these conflicts. Could you imagine the headline if a student disarmed a teacher and then shot someone? She would like some less than lethal incapacitating options to be looked at and has requested it be researched. She doubts our "elected" superintendant will be willing to sign off on anything.
Smilin Jack
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Where's the money to secure our schools you ask...??? It's in the billions and billions of dollars we send to secure foreign countries who hate our guts. We secure our banks because we love our money, we secure our malls so we can spend our money, we have Wildlife Agents to secure our bunnies, we have Air Marshals to secure our planes but our children.......we make "gun free zones" so they cannot be defended. It's time we understand what it means to refuse to be a victim.
Schools not a siege situation? Then why worry about anything like blocking the doors and windows? Why have defense if there won't be an offense? Whether it's one nut with four guns or four nuts with one gun each, I consider an attack an attack no matter where it's done. Perhaps general thinking has changed, but when someone knocks down the door and kills a couple dozen people, it' probably not a guest.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-shuster/smart-gun-technology_b_2324978.html
I am all for arming teachers. ALL OF THEM! Just like they do in Israel. The colorado shooter went to three other theators first and when he did not see a gun busters sign, he moved on fearing a CHL holder. The fourth theator had the desried "gun free zone" sign and he shot people up.
Once it is firmly known that all teachers and administrators are armed and trained schools are no longer a hunting ground.
The article about talks about "smart gun" technology that would keep a weapon safe if a student got their hands on it.
This is as logical a solution as I've heard yet.
You never see a mass shooting at a police station for a reason.
As soon as you make an area "gun free", even an Army base like Ft Hood, nut jobs see targets.
I am all for arming teachers. ALL OF THEM! Just like they do in Israel. The colorado shooter went to three other theators first and when he did not see a gun busters sign, he moved on fearing a CHL holder. The fourth theator had the desried "gun free zone" sign and he shot people up.
Once it is firmly known that all teachers and administrators are armed and trained schools are no longer a hunting ground.
The article about talks about "smart gun" technology that would keep a weapon safe if a student got their hands on it.
This is as logical a solution as I've heard yet.
You never see a mass shooting at a police station for a reason.
As soon as you make an area "gun free", even an Army base like Ft Hood, nut jobs see targets.
Woo-Hoo, . . . Smilin Jack,...........
You are singing to the choir, . . . but I sure do love that song.
Seriously, . . . you hit the nail on the head, . . . thank you for your thoughtfulness.
May God bless,
Dwight
Where's the money to secure our schools you ask...??? It's in the billions and billions of dollars we send to secure foreign countries who hate our guts. We secure our banks because we love our money, we secure our malls so we can spend our money, we have Wildlife Agents to secure our bunnies, we have Air Marshals to secure our planes but our children.......we make "gun free zones" so they cannot be defended. It's time we understand what it means to refuse to be a victim.
You are singing to the choir, . . . but I sure do love that song.
Seriously, . . . you hit the nail on the head, . . . thank you for your thoughtfulness.
May God bless,
Dwight
Fishing_Cabin
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During the press conference, NRA came out today in support of more law enforcement in schools as well as possibly arming teachers, etc.
Sounds like they will put up a fight in the months to come
Sounds like they will put up a fight in the months to come
Punisher_1
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There's a prime example of our mentality when a threat with a gun can run rampant on a military base because carry is not allowed. The world must have gotten a laugh out of that incident.
Fishing_Cabin
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While having an SRO on campus may have a deterent factor, I dont feel that an unarmed SRO as this district is proposing would be much of a deterent. In fact its a bit disturbing in so much that they want an officer there, but want the officer unarmed. So in the worst possible case, another school shooting, they would still be helpless.
http://www.komonews.com/news/local/...urity-guards-in-local-district-185952902.html
komonews.com said:BURIEN, Wash. -- A controversial proposal to disarm school guards and police officers in the Highline School District will soon go before the school board for a decision, but not everyone is supportive of the idea.
http://www.komonews.com/news/local/...urity-guards-in-local-district-185952902.html
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budgets, salary, plans....
What many tax payers & people in the private sector do not understand is the huge cost & the budget issues related to stationing sworn LE officers in a school or on the school district property.
They don't know that SROs(school resource officers) earn about $30,000 to 100,000.00 depending on the LE agency & their time in service/time in grade. Most US cops do not make $9.00/hr like a unarmed security guard or work over-time for the PD/sheriffs office.
My county's mayor & the elected county sheriff both stated they don't have the $ to add more LE next year & will barely meet the requirements to deploy deputies in all schools for the end of this school year.
The "good guys with guns" concept is not practical in 2013. The local counties & cities do not have the $ to pay sworn LE personnel.
I'd also state that "volunteers" or "reserve security" wouldn't fly either due to civil liability & insurance issues. I can hear the lawyers screaming now if a school district wanted to go that route.
What many tax payers & people in the private sector do not understand is the huge cost & the budget issues related to stationing sworn LE officers in a school or on the school district property.
They don't know that SROs(school resource officers) earn about $30,000 to 100,000.00 depending on the LE agency & their time in service/time in grade. Most US cops do not make $9.00/hr like a unarmed security guard or work over-time for the PD/sheriffs office.
My county's mayor & the elected county sheriff both stated they don't have the $ to add more LE next year & will barely meet the requirements to deploy deputies in all schools for the end of this school year.
The "good guys with guns" concept is not practical in 2013. The local counties & cities do not have the $ to pay sworn LE personnel.
I'd also state that "volunteers" or "reserve security" wouldn't fly either due to civil liability & insurance issues. I can hear the lawyers screaming now if a school district wanted to go that route.
Yeah, . . . money, . . . THAT is the problem.
Money, . . . wealth, . . . prosperity, . . . that is what it is all about.
Money has been found by the banks to keep their deposits secure.
Money has been found by the gov't to keep the airlines secure (?) .
Money has been found to send tanks, planes, and other goods to Pakistan which hates us, Afghanistan who loathes us, Egypt who is just now setting up another Islamofascist regime.
There IS money for the schools, . . . and just maybe it needs to come from shutting down some of the Basketweaving 101 classes, . . . some of the sports programs, . . . and just maybe, . . . dumping about half the fat between the teachers and the District Super.
I don't know about your district, . . . but one local one here has a super making almost a quarter million bucks a year.
The money CAN be found, . . . there really is no alternative, . . . unless we want to continue to buy short caskets.
May God bless,
Dwight
Money, . . . wealth, . . . prosperity, . . . that is what it is all about.
Money has been found by the banks to keep their deposits secure.
Money has been found by the gov't to keep the airlines secure (?) .
Money has been found to send tanks, planes, and other goods to Pakistan which hates us, Afghanistan who loathes us, Egypt who is just now setting up another Islamofascist regime.
There IS money for the schools, . . . and just maybe it needs to come from shutting down some of the Basketweaving 101 classes, . . . some of the sports programs, . . . and just maybe, . . . dumping about half the fat between the teachers and the District Super.
I don't know about your district, . . . but one local one here has a super making almost a quarter million bucks a year.
The money CAN be found, . . . there really is no alternative, . . . unless we want to continue to buy short caskets.
May God bless,
Dwight
Aguila Blanca
Staff
So police in schools would cost too much, and we certainly can't allow armed "civilians" to run around schools with guns, so the obvious solution is ...ClydeFrog said:What many tax payers & people in the private sector do not understand is the huge cost & the budget issues related to stationing sworn LE officers in a school or on the school district property.
They don't know that SROs(school resource officers) earn about $30,000 to 100,000.00 depending on the LE agency & their time in service/time in grade. Most US cops do not make $9.00/hr like a unarmed security guard or work over-time for the PD/sheriffs office.
My county's mayor & the elected county sheriff both stated they don't have the $ to add more LE next year & will barely meet the requirements to deploy deputies in all schools for the end of this school year.
The "good guys with guns" concept is not practical in 2013. The local counties & cities do not have the $ to pay sworn LE personnel.
I'd also state that "volunteers" or "reserve security" wouldn't fly either due to civil liability & insurance issues. I can hear the lawyers screaming now if a school district wanted to go that route.
We'll do nothing, while loudly proclaiming that nothing is more important to everyone involved than the lives and safety of our school children.
Does that about sum it up?
Does that about sum it up?
Very succinctly. And you didn't even use any bad words.
Alabama Shooter
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My county's mayor & the elected county sheriff both stated they don't have the $ to add more LE next year & will barely meet the requirements to deploy deputies in all schools for the end of this school year.
The "good guys with guns" concept is not practical in 2013. The local counties & cities do not have the $ to pay sworn LE personnel.
I'd also state that "volunteers" or "reserve security" wouldn't fly either due to civil liability & insurance issues. I can hear the lawyers screaming now if a school district wanted to go that route.
That is a bunch of bologna. It is a matter of political will and priorities.
I live in a rural Alabama County that is not known for it's wealth. We manage to afford to have an armed sheriff's deputy in every school. Our county also has a a solid reserve Deputy program as well. As reserve Deputies have to meet all the same requirements as regular deputies there is no reason why could not use reserve deputies to augment the deputy at each school.