I'd rather have that pretty 629 without the underlug and the recoil!
A .44 Magnum home defense story...........
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Danoobie said:
I don't find it to be surprising at all. Over the course of my career I worked hundreds of burglaries and kicked a few doors myself. Very few doors and frames are what I consider to be sturdy. Have a close look, there's usually only a 1/4"-1/2" of wood holding the latch and the door facing is held on by finishing nails, usually 6 penny.
I don't find it to be surprising at all. Over the course of my career I worked hundreds of burglaries and kicked a few doors myself. Very few doors and frames are what I consider to be sturdy. Have a close look, there's usually only a 1/4"-1/2" of wood holding the latch and the door facing is held on by finishing nails, usually 6 penny.
Bob Wright
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I told the story just as I heard it. Kind of sorry I did, now.
Bob Wright
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OldMarksman
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I am glad that the OP posted the story.
I too would get some cartridges with less recoil. My first reaction, however was concern about the sound pressure. Full .44 Magnum loads are loud enough outdoors.
I always really liked the Smith and Wesson 1950, or Model 24 as it came to be called, in .44 Special. The slimmer barrel makes it balance better for me than the Magnum models.
Some have questioned the penetration performance of factory .44 Special loads. I am unpersuaded.
A Model 24 would not suit me for concealed carry, but if I had one it would remain loaded and accessible for serious use..
I think it would have much lower sound pressure than a 9MM premium defensive load, and for me, that alone would outweigh the capacity difference for home defense.
Personal opinion.
I too would get some cartridges with less recoil. My first reaction, however was concern about the sound pressure. Full .44 Magnum loads are loud enough outdoors.
I always really liked the Smith and Wesson 1950, or Model 24 as it came to be called, in .44 Special. The slimmer barrel makes it balance better for me than the Magnum models.
Some have questioned the penetration performance of factory .44 Special loads. I am unpersuaded.
A Model 24 would not suit me for concealed carry, but if I had one it would remain loaded and accessible for serious use..
I think it would have much lower sound pressure than a 9MM premium defensive load, and for me, that alone would outweigh the capacity difference for home defense.
Personal opinion.
Door anatomy
Kicking in a door frame is extremely difficult because a door frame is part of the house framing. However it is much less difficult to kick in a door jamb. In frame houses the door jamb is the structure holding hinges attached to a door and the door jamb is attached to the door frame. Think pre-hung doors.
Many non-carpenters confuse door jamb with door frame.
Kicking in a door frame is extremely difficult because a door frame is part of the house framing. However it is much less difficult to kick in a door jamb. In frame houses the door jamb is the structure holding hinges attached to a door and the door jamb is attached to the door frame. Think pre-hung doors.
Many non-carpenters confuse door jamb with door frame.
The terminology is regional. In some places they call them jacks, and the same things are called liners somewhere else.
The 2x4s or whatever's used to make the rough opening would be called the door framing, not the door frame. I've never heard the rough opening for a window called a window frame.
The jambs and trim/brick molding make up the frame.
Ma takin' on the Black Widdas' ! (not exactly one shot, one kill but still funny !)
https://youtu.be/anmAvGrgzgQ
https://youtu.be/anmAvGrgzgQ
Model12Win
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Kicking in someone's front door in the middle of the night is not simply "poor judgement."
It is an attack.
An attack that deserves a decisive response, one that this elderly lady was clearly capable of delivering.
Just because the idiot might have been on trucks or been trunk out of his mind does not mean the lady wasn't justified in doing what she did. I guess she could have tackled him and put him in cuffs instead, after of course waiting for him to explain himself after charging through the door.
It is an attack.
An attack that deserves a decisive response, one that this elderly lady was clearly capable of delivering.
Just because the idiot might have been on trucks or been trunk out of his mind does not mean the lady wasn't justified in doing what she did. I guess she could have tackled him and put him in cuffs instead, after of course waiting for him to explain himself after charging through the door.
buck460XVR
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^^^This. Think of a picture frame. The "frame" is made up of components that hold the picture. It is not the wall you hang it on. Difference between a door frame and door framing. The door frame holds the door, while the framing holds the door frame. According to Merriam-Webster.....
Door frames can be pretty flimsy, kinda the reason for deadbolt locks with the heavy #12-14 screws holding the strike, long enough to reach to the framing. Not just those little 3/4 inchers screwed into the particle board jamb. Also why, in areas where folks don't use storm/screen doors, they should consider outswinging exterior doors. Much harder to "kick' in.
Could be regional too, I suppose as are many building terms, but been a carpenter specializing in trim and cabinetry for 45 years, and never called the rough opening for any door or window the "frame". Lots of folks call those skinny things under their handrail "spindles" too.
That said, very few folks that hear a story told, second or third party, is getting the truth, the whole truth and nuttin' but the truth....so help me God. Gonna be some embellishment and some "slight adjustments" to the facts. Just human nature. I don't doubt the story at all, but folks remember things slightly different than they actually happen, and a good story gets better everytime it's told. Scientific fact.
Well, my apologies, I'm obviously wrong. I've kicked in and forced a few dozen doors
in my time, working in housing and construction. Now, I'm what I guess most would call
burly, at 6' 2", 260 pounds. I've seen a lot of jambs give, a lot of doors simply pop open from being loose, but I've just never forced a door, and had the entire frame and door
fall off the buck, and out of the wall. I guess where I lived we used those "nail" things.
My bad...
in my time, working in housing and construction. Now, I'm what I guess most would call
burly, at 6' 2", 260 pounds. I've seen a lot of jambs give, a lot of doors simply pop open from being loose, but I've just never forced a door, and had the entire frame and door
fall off the buck, and out of the wall. I guess where I lived we used those "nail" things.
My bad...
Colorado Redneck
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Thanks for posting the story, Bob. Ignore the posts implying things. For some posters, playing Sherlock Holmes seems to provide an ego boost.
A similar story...a few years back in Oklahoma, a very young widow with a baby became the intended target of a couple of knuckle heads. She lived 30 minutes from law enforcement in a mobile home. The romeo wannabes drove into her yard one evening, and she barricaded the doors, then called 911. She was armed with a shotgun. The 911 dispatcher told her that help was on the way. The widow said the creeps were trying to break in the door, and asked if she could shoot them. 911 said she should do whatever she needed to do. The door gave way, and she shot the first intruder, killing him. The other one escaped, but was arrested the next day.
Women, in general, can be tougher than nails.
A similar story...a few years back in Oklahoma, a very young widow with a baby became the intended target of a couple of knuckle heads. She lived 30 minutes from law enforcement in a mobile home. The romeo wannabes drove into her yard one evening, and she barricaded the doors, then called 911. She was armed with a shotgun. The 911 dispatcher told her that help was on the way. The widow said the creeps were trying to break in the door, and asked if she could shoot them. 911 said she should do whatever she needed to do. The door gave way, and she shot the first intruder, killing him. The other one escaped, but was arrested the next day.
Women, in general, can be tougher than nails.
Bill DeShivs
New member
Bob- some people are just sour.
I don't doubt the credibility of the story one bit.
Exterior doors (and windows) are set by the framing crew, and those guys aren't going to shim anything, and they aren't going to put any nails through the jambs into the 2x4s. All they're going to do is nail the brick molding to the wall from the outside, hopefully with an even margin between the door and the jambs. And that little plastic bag which is stapled by the top hinge with the two long screws which are supposed to go through the hinge into the 2x4, what happens to that? That little bag with the screws gets ripped off the jamb and thrown out into the yard.
Exterior doors (and windows) are set by the framing crew, and those guys aren't going to shim anything, and they aren't going to put any nails through the jambs into the 2x4s. All they're going to do is nail the brick molding to the wall from the outside, hopefully with an even margin between the door and the jambs. And that little plastic bag which is stapled by the top hinge with the two long screws which are supposed to go through the hinge into the 2x4, what happens to that? That little bag with the screws gets ripped off the jamb and thrown out into the yard.
Mike Irwin
Staff
Another child dead due to the scourge of gun violence that plagues our nation...
JERRYS, you spoke my mind!
He related a story. He didn't say he was there. Take it or leave it.
As to the physics, if you point a gun at most anyone, they will recoil with fear. Doubly so if you touch off a round. The bullet didn't have to cause him to fall backwards. The story is believable.
He related a story. He didn't say he was there. Take it or leave it.
As to the physics, if you point a gun at most anyone, they will recoil with fear. Doubly so if you touch off a round. The bullet didn't have to cause him to fall backwards. The story is believable.