...a .38 special. "Don´t be a fool..."

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Well now it's as effective as a 45/70, folks we can now sell off all our deer rifles and use the snubby.
Keep digging that hole cheap.
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How does hunting deer have anything to do with EDC SD firearms? If people were as hard to kill as Elk @ standard SD ranges, we'd all be carrying 30-06 rifles across our backs for EDC. We all know this isn't true. Is bigger better? As in others comparisons, depends on how you use it and how good you are with it.;)

I'd love to EDC my 6'' 686 as it's one of my most accurate handguns. Kinda big and heavy for the pocket tho. I also have a coupla P.C. hunting revolvers that will take out a pie plate past 100 yards and are capable of hunting dangerous game. They too make for poor CWCs. The right tool for the right job is the main concern here and one has to remember, the right tool isn't always the same for everyone. Condescending folks over their own choice of SD firearm and making absurd claims of ineffectiveness does not validate you own choice to others.


Hey Mr BG take your coat off and put your arms to your side I didn't bring enough gun to shoot through that today
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While a average coat may change some of the expansion properties of a HP bullet, for the most part, except for a highly frangible bullet, penetration thru cloth and goose down/other standard insulation will be similar as thru flesh and bone. Clogging of the hollow point would actually increase penetration. Unless the coat is 8 inches or more in thickness, one should still get enough penetration with a .38 if you hit the right spot. Smaller diameter bullets like .38 are less susceptible to cloth slowing them down than .45s. Shooting thru both arms of the BG and makeing them inoperable more than likely will stop most threats also. Cops didn't move up to the .357 from .38 because of lack of penetration on humans, but on engine blocks........
 
It's conceivable that the battle would have gone to custer if the troops had the henry.
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I'll admit its conceivable, but its not likely. Unless you change other factors as well. Little things, like 200 cavalry vs 2000+ Indians, many of whom were armed with repeaters. And defensive positions. Essentially, Custer didn't have one. Little things, I admit, but....

Other little things, like not dividing his command before the battle, or the tiny little thing of actually expecting a battle and not a walk over just might have made a difference, too.

So might not having left the two Gatling guns assigned to his company, behind. Custer felt they would slow him down.

Turns out Custer was wrong about a LOT of things.

If Custer had carried a .38 Special, someone would be claiming that if he had used something else, he would have won!
 
I go back to law enforcement neds vs self defense needs.

If the cops want to take a guy in for commiting a crime that carries a long prison sentence, a criminal may take a few slugs and keep on fighting until he can no longer fight. "Knock down, pentration, expansion, blah blah blah", might all be factors since he has little to lose.

When the typical street punk is after your wallet or your jewelry, once the gun comes out, and especially after it starts making noise, the only thing the round and gun affect is how fast and how far he might be able to retreat. He has little to gain by fighting, and a lot to lose. My Ruger Redhawk won't likely be any more effective than my Raven .25acp at preventing my demise which is the primary objectve.

I think people watch too many TV shows where people are hiding behind cover shooting back and forth and reloading for 20 minutes shooting it out with a street punk who is only after the good guy's watch.

It takes a lot less force to protect yourself than it does to capture somebody who does not want to submit.
 
How does hunting deer have anything to do with EDC SD firearms?
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Why do you stretch from deer to ELK?
I realize technicly elk are deer but nobody refers to them as deer before we go any further down that rabbit hole.
 
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"It takes a lot less force to protect yourself than it does to capture somebody who does not want to submit."

Which might be why the stats show most gunfights are over in about 2 shots.

Which (to me) makes high capacity and reloading speed non-factors for Joe Public when he's defending himself.
 
I have a friend who is a Vietnam vet and he tells the story of a GI who took a 23mm round through the belly. He walked back to an aid station. Friend never heard if the GI made it.

Read about a cop who serves a warrant and the guy whips out a Colt Python and puts 6 rounds of 357s through the cops torso. The cop rips the empty gun from the perp's hand and nearly beats him to death with it. Both did survive. The cop had the "never quit" attitude.

A man weighing no more than 130 pounds took 3 rounds of 45 ACP through the chest destroying the heart and both lungs. He ran about 60 yards before being spun around by a 4th round in the kidney. He then fell dead.

Then there was the cop who took a superficial wound to the arm with a 22. He looked at the injury and promptly fell dead. For years he had told himself if he got shot he would die. He did.

There is no guarantee what will work or not work. No way to predict how any individual will react.
 
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Why do you stretch from deer to ELK?
I realize technicly elk are deer but nobody refers to them as deer before we go any further down that rabbit hole.
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Well........technically, it's a shorter stretch from deer to elk than it is from a human to a deer. Funny how that works, eh? You want to use Hyperbole's to support your arguments, but then condescend others who try your tactics. BTW....never saw a deer go down a rabbit hole, but have seen a .38 hole on a rabbit.

Facts are, a large majority of folks that CWC carry a .38. It is a good choice, and works well for many in the SD platform, and has for many years. Hard to argue with that.
 
Well........technically, it's a shorter stretch from deer to elk than it is from a human to a deer.
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Here we go down the hole:( how do you figure? deer and humans are often in the 150 to 400# range, haven't seen a lot of 900+ lb criminals.

but have seen a .38 hole on a rabbit.
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As have I and the hole is a lot different when the bullet is going 1200+ fps than it is under 850.

Facts are, a large majority of folks that CWC carry a .38. It is a good choice, and works well for many in the SD platform, and has for many years. Hard to argue with that.
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Yep, I do myself a lot of the time, but I recognize it's marginal especially with many of the current SD offerings.
 
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haven't seen a lot of 900+ lb criminals.
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Kinda why you don't need more than 12'' of penetration for SD.:D

Here we go down the hole how do you figure? deer and humans are often in the 150 to 400# range,
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Deer, even the smallest, have a different physiological makeup than even the largest human. Blow a front leg off a 70lb fawn of the year and it will still travel a long way to escape while enduring tremendous pain. Blow off the leg of the largest human and odds are he will lay there and scream like a little girl. The hole you keep not wanting to go down is the one you continue to dig.

As have I and the hole is a lot different when the bullet is going 1200+ fps than it is under 850.
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You can tell the difference on a wittle wabbit? Whoa.....Give me a minute to put my hip waders on, it's gettin' pretty deep in here.

but I recognize it's marginal especially with many of the current SD offerings
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Funny....I hear the same thing about .357 for deer yet I and others kill deer all the time with them. Marginal is a relative term and very subjective. Use what works well for you and what you are proficient with and respect the desire of others to do the same. Pretty simple.
 
Well now it's as effective as a 45/70, folks we can now sell off all our deer rifles and use the snubby.
Keep digging that hole cheap.
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You're digging quite well on your own. I'm too busy laughing hysterically at your lame excuse for an answer when facts point out you are wrong.
 
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