9mm revolvers ?

Ruger made a Speed Six in 9 mm years ago. It required clips.
Ruger continues today with a modernized one on the SP101 frame but it's five shot only.
 
I put 200 through my LCR 9mm today, zero redness/irritation/soreness in the web thanks to the Hogue rubber tamer grip. I'm convinced that that thing is one of the main ingredients of this revolver.

The ammo was 50 each of AE 124gr FMJ, and some reloads using MBC 124gr Hi-Tek plated bullets, 50 each with 5.2gr, 5.3gr, and 5.4gr of Power Pistol.

The set screw for the cylinder release backed out again, even after a light dose of Loctite 334 rounds ago. Next time I'll put more on, against the Ruger tech's advice. He advised no Loctite, but that's because if it gets sent in for repair and they can't remove the screw they might have to replace the revolver. No worries there, I like this one too much to send it back to them.
 
... zero redness/irritation/soreness in the web thanks to the Hogue rubber tamer grip. I'm convinced that that thing is one of the main ingredients of this revolver...
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Ruger got a lot of things right with the LCR. The grip is a big part of it. It hooks into my hand so I don't miss the pinky purchase. It's big where it needs to be for my hand without being too big in the pocket. Having cushy material between frame and hand makes a big difference in felt recoil. To this day, I'm baffled by the persistence of older revolver designs that combine exposed back straps with magnum chamberings.

Speaking of, the X-frame grip on Smith and Wesson's XVR is padded like the LCR grip. The X-frame grip also fits an L-frame. So if you want to experience a world of difference in shooting comfort with a 686 or other L-frame, try it out.
 
meh

9mm barely cuts it in a semi-auto; .40, .45 (either one) and 10mm cleans its clock. It only slightly edges out the .38 special ballistically, so what is the point in a revolver?

Why would anyone want a 9mm revolver when a .357 mag is a similar caliber, and absolutely smokes that 9mm cartridge?

Nothing against those that want one for whatever reason, but it isn't for me.
 
Why would anyone want a 9mm revolver when a .357 mag is a similar caliber, and absolutely smokes that 9mm cartridge?
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When was the last time you shot four boxes of .357 Mag from a lightweight snub and enjoyed it (or shot them and didn't enjoy it)?
 
^This. .357 Mag is overkill in a snub revolver and the point is to stop an attacker and not get hurt, not kill bears.

9mm is superior to .38 Special in certain loadings, some 158 grain .38 loads may have more energy, but they'll also have a LOT more felt recoil too.

With how low 9mm ammo prices are compared to .38, it's a superior choice in a snub revolver.
 
Well if you have the cash to spend a Phillips and Rodgers M47 Medusa, it will shoot 380 ACP all way to 357 Mag and everything in between, or at least one of the conversion cylinders they made as aswell.
 
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9mm actually smokes almost all of the 357 rounds.
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What have you been smoking??:eek:
Find me ONE 9mm round that will yield 625 ME foot pounds out of any revolver?

The major "boutique" manufactureres all will get close to this, Underwood, Double tap and Buffalobore.

180 grain at 1250 fps out of a 1 7/8" LCR!:D
Chronographed and recorded on video.
You notice that Chris didn't chron any BB loads to prove his point!
 
9mm barely cuts it in a semi-auto; .40, .45 (either one) and 10mm cleans its clock. It only slightly edges out the .38 special ballistically, so what is the point in a revolver?

Why would anyone want a 9mm revolver when a .357 mag is a similar caliber, and absolutely smokes that 9mm cartridge?
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You've already got some good answers but consider this:

First, let's accept that .357 magnum can be brutal for a lot of people in pocketable alloy or composite revolvers. By "brutal", I mean markedly unpleasant to shoot and harder to shoot both accurately and quickly. That might be fine in a "get off me" scenario when you are just emptying a cylinder into the guts or appendages of someone or something that is right on top of you. In fact, that's one place where the power differences between handgun calibers and their respective abilities to inflict mechanical damage might matter.

Of course, that is only one kind of defensive encounter. We know that other encounters requiring marksmanship and rapid shooting do occur. In those cases, there can be advantages to 9mm and .327 Federal. Both can offer more power than .38 special with less recoil than .357 magnum.

So, why not just carry .40, .45, or 10mm? Well, those tend to involve bigger firearms. Even the small 9mm semi-autos can be more challenging to carry versus an alloy J-frame or LCR. (Small guns is the reason why .380 auto remains as popular as it is, despite relatively widespread performance concerns.) What I have found is that in many types of pants, an LCR or alloy J-frame is the biggest gun that can ride comfortably and draw easily from a pocket holster.
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But....a .357 revolver offers a much wider range of POTENTIAL than any 9mm revolver.

Unless you reload, there are very few commerial 9mm powder puff loads, because they are designed for semi autos that can't take very reduced loads. So thereby reducing the selection of low power loads. There are no 9mm loads that will approach the maximum 180 grain .357 woods loads for revolvers, so that limits the upper range of 9mm.

So a .357 offers the maximum range of soft to hot.

While quick followup shots are the rage in the run and gun game community, a self defense senario might require a more deligent approach to shoot and access. Especially with a five shot revolver, it might not be so advantageous to shoot all your loads so fast!
Remember, one good shot is worth more than two quick misses or poorly placed shots. So recoil control might not be the end all to decision about the caliber that you choose.

The power of the round should have no effect on accuracy, unless you are prone to flinching.

My daily carry is a .357 revolver because I live in the woods, and 4 legged creatures are as much a threat as anything else. In the summer I have one shot shell, three SD .38 +P and one 2 .357 BB woods in the cylinder to cover the wide range of applications.
 
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But....a .357 revolver offers a much wider range of POTENTIAL than any 9mm revolver.

Unless you reload, there are very few commerial 9mm powder puff loads, because they are designed for semi autos that can't take very reduced loads. So thereby reducing the selection of low power loads. There are no 9mm loads that will approach the maximum 180 grain .357 woods loads for revolvers, so that limits the upper range of 9mm.

So a .357 offers the maximum range of soft to hot.

While quick followup shots are the rage in the run and gun game community, a self defense senario might require a more deligent approach to shoot and access. Especially with a five shot revolver, it might not be so advantageous to shoot all your loads so fast!
Remember, one good shot is worth more than two quick misses or poorly placed shots. So recoil control might not be the end all to decision about the caliber that you choose.

The power of the round should have no effect on accuracy, unless you are prone to flinching.

My daily carry is a .357 revolver because I live in the woods, and 4 legged creatures are as much a threat as anything else. In the summer I have one shot shell, three SD .38 +P and one 2 .357 BB woods in the cylinder to cover the wide range of applications.
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That's true, but nobody is asking for the 9mm revolvers to offer us a mouse fart load up to 180 grain hammers. When people are looking for a 9mm revolver for defense they are looking for it to be reliable and be easier to shoot than .357, whilst being able to shoot a lot and save money on cheaper ammo.

They're fun plinkers too and I would only recommend a 9mm revolver that's larger than a snub solely for plinking. Any other reason and a longer barrel .357 is better.

IMO, 9mm snubs are the best snubs for the caliber and may be the best snub revolver caliber, but the jury is still out for me as .327 snubs have a lot of good aspects too.

As to how fast the follow up shots can be with 9mm vs .357, you don't get the choice of knowing beforehand what you'll have to do. The good thing with either is if you put the bullet in the right spot, it's irrelevant what you're shooting.

.357 may have certain high end loads that beat 9mm in a snub, but I question how necessary they are when 9mm is plenty adequate.
 
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9mm actually smokes almost all of the 357 rounds.
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I would agree that there's a least a little truth to this if you limit the discussion to standard factory loads and a shoot the 357 out of a snub. Bump the barrel length up or go to one of the boutique loads and you can extend a 357 beyond any 9mm. There are certainly issues to consider about how well most folks can shoot one of those boutique 357 loads out of a snub or how much those boutique loads cost but those are separate issues.

As far as the original point of the thread goes, I see some of the appeal to a 9mm revolver when you think about the cost of factory ammo and hitting that sweet spot in effectiveness versus shootability that many of us really like about 9mm. I personally think a semi-auto is a better self defense platform so I don't see much appeal to a 9mm revolver, though.
 
I think I had already addressed some of HighValleyRanch's points by the time he finished writing them. =P As far as offering a wide range for hand-loaders, that point might be valid for hand-loaders. That sounds a bit to me like the pitch that .327 is awesome because people who don't hand-load can choose from a whole bunch of .32-caliber cartridges developed within the last hundred years or so. It's a wonderful thing for the people who want to take advantage of it.

That said, 9mm revolvers can be great for the people who want to take advantage of them. Sure, moon clips might be something to think about. If that's okay, why not enjoy the benefits I mentioned earlier? It's not my cup of tea but I might choose that over a .380 pocket gun.
 
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