HighValleyRanch
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Because reloaders with revolvers don't have to chase their brass. They dump it into their collection container.
Because you couldn't shoot it in an autoloader like 9x19 can. The main reason tho was that 9mm Federal was, IIRC, only available in Charter Arms revolvers and when the company went out of business in the early 90s, there were so few revolvers available in 9mm Federal that Federal couldn't make a profit off making the ammo anymore, so they stopped.I do wonder, if 9mm from a revolver (snub nose only, apparently) is the bees knees, and the best thing since canned beer, sliced bread and girls who smell good, why did the 9mm Federal go bust???
This is true. When I'm at any of the handgun ranges at my range, 9mm is the most common centerfire cartridge I see with .45 ACP being second and I rarely, RARELY ever see someone shooting a revolver. If they are, it's a .22.If you're a brass rat you'll probably find over a thousand 9mm casings for every .38 SPL.
The fact is for almost every 9mm revolver (there may be some weird ones out there) a moon clip or and sort of clip is not required to shoot them. All it does is make reloading more straightforward.
Like I said, there may be weird ones and 9x21 revolvers aren't exactly common in the US. As for the brass, if you want to spend $50 on some once fired brass, that's fine, but if you don't want to pay anything for it, go to any shooting range and you'll have plenty of 9mm available. Could bang out a couple thousand rounds in a weekend on a progressive and not have to reload any for a revolver for months.That's not true for S&W 9mm revolvers unless you're using 9x21 brass.
The ease of finding brass is irrelevant. Just don't loose you .38 Special/.357 brass and you'll be fine. You can buy 1,000 once fired .38 Special cases for $50 and be set for years.
Because you couldn't shoot it in an autoloader like 9x19 can. The main reason tho was that 9mm Federal was, IIRC, only available in Charter Arms revolvers and when the company went out of business in the early 90s, there were so few revolvers available in 9mm Federal that Federal couldn't make a profit off making the ammo anymore, so they stopped.
Even if 9mm Federal lived on, the cost of ammo for it vs rimless 9mm would have made people complain they wanted to be able to shoot the cheaper rimless 9mm and eventually the cylinders would have been cut for moon clips anyway. So, right back to square one.
The fact is for almost every 9mm revolver (there may be some weird ones out there) a moon clip or and sort of clip is not required to shoot them. All it does is make reloading more straightforward.
As for the brass, if you want to spend $50 on some once fired brass, that's fine, but if you don't want to pay anything for it, go to any shooting range and you'll have plenty of 9mm available. Could bang out a couple thousand rounds in a weekend on a progressive and not have to reload any for a revolver for months.
The ease of finding brass is irrelevant. Just don't loose you .38 Special/.357 brass and you'll be fine. You can buy 1,000 once fired .38 Special cases for $50 and be set for years.
The ranch clips work and are really cheap, but putting cases in and removing them is a PITA without a tool. I have to give Ruger credit for their moon clips and I've been meaning to see if cutting a slot down in the Ranch clips like where Ruger has them would improve them, but haven't found the time to do that.I use Ranch moonclips.
About $1.25 apiece.
It takes about 5 minutes per clip to modify them to fit my TKC recessed cylinders.
From one poster:Perfect timing. Energy doesn't matter. According to Federal who makes 357 too.
https://www.glocktalk.com/threads/lucky-gunner-interviews-federal-cartridge-employees.1761712/
Muzzle energy is not meaningless. If you had a bullet that had 300 ft/lbs and penetrated 15 inches and expanded 1.5 times the original diameter and you had another that was 600 ft/lbs, also penetrated 15 inches and expanded 1.5 times, you're releasing twice the energy in the same amount of space, so the transfer of the energy will be twice as much, which means larger stretch cavities.For pistols:
- muzzle energy is meaningless
- penetration and expansion are all that count.
- caliber and speed is only important to the extent it affects penetration and expansion.
From one poster:
Muzzle energy is not meaningless. If you had a bullet that had 300 ft/lbs and penetrated 15 inches and expanded 1.5 times the original diameter and you had another that was 600 ft/lbs, also penetrated 15 inches and expanded 1.5 times, you're releasing twice the energy in the same amount of space, so the transfer of the energy will be twice as much, which means larger stretch cavities.
If that wasn't the case, why then .357 has a higher rate of one shot stops vs 9mm?
https://www.buckeyefirearms.org/alternate-look-handgun-stopping-power