9mm carbine for hunting?

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hello all,
I've already seen the chaos caused by the guy who asked if a 223 was a decent gun for hunting so I'm expecting a huge arguement to spark up.

I still haven't seen whether this is even legal in my state but ar15 in 9mm,
I dont know the ballistics of 9mm out of a 16" barrel so if any of you have the data and a link that would be great.
I'll try to be as specific as possible
at a distance not to exceed 100 yards with a standard load 115-124gr bullet, would you trust a 9mm to kill a whitetail deer to average 180 pounds but not to exceed 225 pounds.
 
Nope!

I consider the .357 magnum marginal for whitetail deer, even with the energy carried by 180 grain bullets from carbine barrels. I'm NOT saying that some folks don't have great success with that caliber, I'm NOT saying that many folks find it perfectly suitable. I might take a shot with my .357 carbine under the right conditions, at the right distance.

I AM saying that I consider the .357 marginal for the application. I consider the 9mm cartridge to be less powerful than the .357.
 
Well... out of a carbine a +P 9mm can appraoch some of the slower .357 magnums. So there is that...

In that .223 thread there were a lot of people who had actually hunted big deer with the .223 and argued there's nothing wrong with it.

And for those people that take hogs with a .22, a 9mm at the right range will take a hog if you pop em right behind the ear...

In a post-apocalyptic world, if you had an abundance of 9mm and were trying to conserve your .308 then I think it would work, so why not use it?

Um... those are all the arguments I can think of in favor of using the 9. :o

Even at 50 yards - if limited to 9mm I would want the fastest 9mm loading made - probably what the maker would call a +P+ load, and in a carbine designed to handle the hot loads.

I wouldn't trust 115gr White Box to take a deer at 100 yrds - yhat's going to require nearly perfect shot placement, while the animal is standing still with no wind etc etc etc...
 
Not in my book.

Unless you have a M.O.A. (1" groups at 100 yards) AR where you can make and are patient enough to wait for head shots I think you'd loose more than you put down.

Rule of thumb is only ABOUT an additional 20f.p.s. for each additional inch of bbl so you MIGHT get apprx. 240f.p.s. more from a std. 9mm round fired out of a carbine rather than a pistol.
 
9mm carbine is about the lowest you would go for people hunting AKA home defense, absolutely not suitable nor respectable/humane for animal hunting IMHO.
 
Never shot a 9mm through a long rifle. I however did shoot a hk mp5 and no doubt in my mind that it would kill a deer. I would however try to keepp the distance under 75 yards, 30 to 50 would be about perfect. Just like taking a "hog" with a 22 I would imagine :)
 
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as long as it is not a pistol or a rifle that weighs more than 16 pounds it's fine. as long as it's not rimfire it's fine.

so legally I am in the clear. continue with the chlorophyll!
 
9mm for deer

I would not use anything under a 147 gr for deer and that would be only in an emergency. Two years ago shot a deer at 20 yds with 6 rounds of 115gr 9mm. Yeah I know but it was necessary. The hits were solid but the deer showed no reaction. Had some blood but no deer. Ended up killing the deer a few months later and found 5 nicely healed bullet holes over the right front leg and shoulder. Maybe if you keep the distance below 75 yards and use a +p 147gr...then maybe. But it would be just as easy to get a cheap shotgun or mosin nagant.
 
If that is all you had, and it was a survival situation, but chances are you would watch more prance off into the distance than onto your dinner plate.
 
A 9mm is what, like .35 inches? Yea, I've seen guys shoot deer with .22 Magnums... in the head at 15 yards... and that was only a 120 pound doe.

I know a few people with .357 levers, .44 rugers, along with other "handgun rifles" and had many deer get away even with solid front shoulder shots.

Every deer I've ever shot with my .270 hasn't moved more than 50 yards before it was out of commission and a few were not ideal placed shots and a couple were out past 250 yards. Plus this is Maine where we have real deer, not them 80-100 pound critters in Pennsylvannia.

How much is this glorious wonder weapon you ask? $250 at the Wal-Mart. :D
 
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That was what it looked like when I shot. The other part of this story is prior too the 9mm I also put 4 rnds of 40 S&W into the same deer with similar results. I think he borrowed a kevlar vest from the local pd. We started calling him Kevlar. A 150 gr 308 finally got him.
 
9mm PCP airguns are used for hunting in other countries. So, a hotly loaded 9mm shot from a carbine length barrel should be marginally adequate for killing deer-sized game from 70 yards or less.

Archers use a lot less energy to bring down deer. Granted, razor broadheads do more than just transfer energy, but hit the wrong part of the deer, and you will end up simply wounding it.

The bottom line - if you had to, you could hunt with 9mm.
 
I have killed deer with my .45 out of necessity. Rifle was out of bullets and they were gonna get away after a long shot didn't do the job the first time.

And I've killed some with my .30 cal m1 carbine that I took for a brush gun.
Never thought about a 9mm.

Neither time was a clean quick kill and I felt bad after.

Never considered a 9mm.

So my vote would be no. Mostly because I hate tracking wounded animals.
 
It's not ideal, but I bet loaded with NATO hardball you could shoot him in one shoulder blade and have it come out the other no problem. Shot placement.
 
I can think of other carbine calibers that would be much better. 9mm is a little on the weak side to kill a deer beyond say 25 yds IMHO. It can be done, but as one of the other guys said, " The bottom line - if you had to, you could hunt with 9mm." There are a lot of better choices such as a 44 carbine or 7.62x39mm, 30-30, etc.
 
That was what it looked like when I shot. The other part of this story is prior too the 9mm I also put 4 rnds of 40 S&W into the same deer with similar results. I think he borrowed a kevlar vest from the local pd. We started calling him Kevlar. A 150 gr 308 finally got him.
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so the next time you post I'll expect you to find shrapnel from a hand grenade and a 50 cal bullet sticking halfway out of the hide? I hardly expect any animal that's been shot 9 times to just saunter off. I've shot blocks of wood at 35 yards and had 8-10 inches of penetration with the 9mm so I would assume that it would have about the same penetration through flesh at roughly double the distance. to say that it survived 5 rounds of 9mm and 4 rounds of 40 is starting to stretch the limits of the imagination. now were these shots fired from a pistol or rifle and at what range? barrel length increases velocity and I've seen a 22lr pistol with a 5" barrel drop a 120 pound deer at 25 yards so I'm highly starting to doubt your credibility
 
tahunua, since you obviously have no interest in ethical hunting and just want a pad on the back for a stupid idea, go get yourself a bumpfire stock and mow down those deer. Idaho doesn't even limit the magazine capacity, go blazing.
 
Looks like im going to try and go deer hunting with my sig p226 9mm this year to prove a point, video tape it of course, time to put my droid to some good use. :)
 
awe.. am I really such an evil person?
what exactly is ethical hunting?
I buy my tags
I buy my license
I stick to the posted hunting seasons,
I even looked up the regs to make sure it was legal to even hunt with a pistol round carbine.
I dont spot light/use night scopes
I ask permission to hunt on private property and have never even hunted on public property so that all of the guys who take their kids hunting dont have to compete with me.
I dont shoot them if they have spots and I usually even take the sickly looking bucks so that the weaker genes are taken out of play while the good bucks can spread their nice genetic code around.
I dont throw out a bunch of corn feed and take my pick of the deer that come in.
so tell me why I'm such an unethical hunter? because I'm looking into options to gain a bit of challenge? maybe it would be more humane to just take my 300 weatherby out and blow the poor beast in half, that would be a much better option.
and the 9mm option isn't any less humane than the guys suggesting 762 soviet as a hunting round.
 
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