45 Colt versus 44 Magnum

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I have seen some folks stating that 45 Colt outperforms the 44 Magnum cartridge.

Outperforms?

Beyond factory load of .45lc it is going into .454 cas or .460 S&W realm.

then it is NOT a .45LC anymore.

Hopefully, when people shoot those hot 45 Colts out of inferior guns, it will just hurt the gun. But the same can be said about hot (+P or +P+) 44mags too.

I mean when your talking about these superior 45 Colt ammo. What gun, or gun's can you shoot them with. I think it would be easier to make a list of can do's, than can don't's.

Just like my Buffalo Bore 44mag 340gr +P+ FLHC rated at 1425 (1401 5.5" barrel) fps/1533 lbs. Some 44s are not recommended to be shot with them, including a S&W 29/629.

Same deal, right?

Sounds to me like splitting hair's. I'm certainly not going out to get a 45Colt because it will outperform my 5.5" Redhawk 44mag.

But what do I know, I'm just another Internet expert.:D
 
Question for the non reloaders of these big bore revolvers. How much do you shoot your gun? How many rounds a month on average? What kind of prices do you pay for the ammo.

Was curious to see how cost of shooting compared between the 2
 
For comparison, I checked out Buffalo Bore's website. The most powerful .45 Colt load I could find was this: Heavy 45 Colt +P Ammo - 325 gr. L.B.T.-L.F.N. (1,325 fps/M.E. 1,267 ft. lbs.)

The most powerful .44 magnum load I could find was this:Heavy .44 Magnum +P+ Ammo - 340 gr. L.F.N. - G.C. (1,478 fps/M.E. 1,649 ft. lbs.)

The numbers speak for themselves. I know everyone is going to say, "Well I could load my .45 Colt to such and such pressure with this bullet and that bullet". The real question is this: Is it possible to SAFELY push a 340 grain bullet to 1,478 fps out of a .45 Colt? It's not a rhetorical question....I'd really like to know the real answer.
 
Unless the gun is specifically built for pressures, then no.

Look at alot of reloading manuals. They will state "such and such safe for <insert gun mfg name>", or "do not use in <insert gun mfg name>"

at the pressures of the design of the cartridge, .44 magnum > .45 colt.

yadda yadda load colt to +p, guess what. probably can load .44 magnum to a higher pressure on some guns as well.

again at the pressures of the design, .44mag > .45 colt.
 
Buffalo Bore can answer your question about the Anaconda.

I have yet to see the critter that a .45/335/Keith going 1250 fps won't kill just fine; but then there are no 14 foot grizzlies, elephants or blue whales bothering my 'mater plants.

If you guys think the .44 mag is better... that's OK with me. Unload those worthless old 45 Colts fast and cheap, so you can run out and buy something better. I'll go $300 cash on a pristine, nickel 25-5 with a 4" barrel, just to help you out. Might go $350 if you have a nice 4 3/4" Single Action Army with nice case colors.

Always ready to help out... that's just the kind of guy I am.
 
45 Colt versus 44 Magnum


......never understood this argument. Both are fine calibers and both do a good job within their parameters. They both can be handloaded to do very similar terminal performance. To me, after all that, a few thousandths of a inch or 100fps one way or the other is moot. Kinda like askin' which car will get you to the emergency room faster, Chevy or Ford.
 
The one solid fact I can give is that the .44 magnum has higher sectional density, better ballistic coefficient, and it has ammunition and bullets specifically designed for top velocity heavy hunting use.

It is a simple fact that with equal bullet weights at higher or equal velocities and equivalent construction, the .44 magnum will drive deeper, and be better able to inflict lethal wounds.

The bore diameter is only 0.02 larger in a .45. That's not really enough to make a difference in wound channel diameter, but when you take the factors of SD, bullet design, and velocity, the .44 has an advantage.

Arguing nonsense about pressures, handloads, etc, is all ridiculous. Stack the deck all you want in favor of your preferred round, cherry pick your preferre criteria, at the end of the day, the .44 magnum is going to be the one that the average joe can go out and buy gun and ammo off the shelf, and get superior results out of.

The only way the average guy can get better performance out of a .45 colt is to trade it in on a casull.

Bottom line, get what you want, feed it what you want, shoot whatever you want, and if you push them both to the limit, you can still find reasons to declare emphatically that your own choice is better, even if all you can say is that "my bullet is 0.020 inches bigger."
 
the 45COLT is an honest to GOD fourtyfive caliber bullet. The 44MAg is a fourtythree caliber bullet and that is one hell of a difference in frontal mass.

That's funny right there.:D

What we have here is two groups of people arguing. Those who buy their ammo at Walmart, and those who load their own. Both groups are right. The factory ammo users are correct, the 44 Mag is more powerful.

The hand loaders are also correct. We can easily and safely surpass 44 Mag energies with our 45 Colts by careful selection of guns, boolits, brass, and recipes.

It's all academic and ego though. If you load with a purpose besides just velocity and bragging rights, you find yourself in the mid range area. The area where you can kill anything in the 48 but aren't even in top range 44 Mag loads. So while you can do it...it's not really needed.
 
Pretty easy to tell who owns 44s, who owns 45s and who own both. I own both and like them both. This isn't worth arguing over.
 
I think it is fair to compare +P 45 Colt loads (Ruger only) to +P 44 mag loads, also
fired in a Ruger Redhawk (not a Super Redhawk).
The highest loads
I could find published anywhere are as follows:

44 magnum +P in Ruger Redhawk 7-1/2"
310 gr WFN-GC using Lil Gun at 1495 fps

45 Colt +P Ruger Redhawk 7-1/2"
310 gr SWC using H110 at 1330 fps

That's the first fair comparison I've seen in this argument (and I'm a 45 Colt fan). That's a 26% energy advantage to the 44, with the Colt having the "pre-expanded" diameter advantage. ;)

In reality, either will kill anything on this continent (including brown bear) about equally dead at equal pistol ranges.

You say tomAto, I say tomAHto at this point.
 
In guns of equal strength, it's basically a case of six in one hand, half a dozen in the other as they'll both do the same thing.

Often it is quoted that .45 Long Colt, when loaded to its full potential in an appropriate gun, will outperform the .44 Magnum. Specialty rounds from boutique makers like Buffalo Bore and Grizzly are certainly able to outperform the run-of-the-mill .44 Magnum loading, but what's forgotten is that the vast majority of .44 Magnum ammunition is made to be safely used in any so-chambered gun. If we look at boutique ammunition loaded specifically for the biggest and strongest .44 Magnum revolvers such as is available from Buffalo Bore, Grizzly, and Garrett, we find that the difference in ballistics between the two cartridges is so small that nothing you could ever shoot would be likely to notice the difference.

Also, we see the difference in diameter and frontal area often quoted, but no one ever seems to stop and think about what, exactly, that diameter gets you. While it is true that, for the same OAL, a .45 Long Colt can use a slightly heavier bullet, it is often overlooked that the smaller diameter of the .44 Magnum allows it to penetrate just as well, if not better, with a lighter bullet due to its better cross-sectional density. As for the difference in frontal area, lets be honest here: the true top-end loadings in both cartridges are usually loaded with tough non-expanding bullets. This is because, on the type of game that these loadings are intended for, the only two factors that really matter are placement and penetration and no amount of frontal area can make up for shortcomings in those two areas.

Finally, the issue of pressure is often raised. While it is true that .45 Long Colt can attain its performance at lower pressure than .44 Magnum, I've yet to see anyone explain why exactly it makes a difference. I've never seen anything shot that asked what the pressure of the cartridge was and, since the ballistics of the two cartridges can be so close, I don't think it matters so long as the gun can handle said pressure. The other thing to consider is that while .45 Long Colt may be a lower pressure cartridge, comparable .44 Magnum revolvers are able to safely handle higher pressures due to thicker chamber walls. That very issue is the reason that Elmer Kieth abandoned his experiments with .45 Long Colt and turned his focus to .44 Special: at the time there were no .45 Long Colt revolvers that could safely handle the pressures Elmer wanted to work at.

Which cartridge is better is more dependant, I think, upon the user and his application. While a handloader can produce .45LC ammo just as easily as .44 Mag, someone who does not handload will be able to acquire .44 Mag ammo easier and cheaper. Also, while boutique ammo makes the ballistics very close, most "off the shelf" .45LC ammo will deliver ballistics much closer to that of .44 Spl or .45 ACP than .44 Mag.

Also, I'd take .44 Magnum over .45 Long Colt for self-defense use in a DA revolver due to the differences in the diameter of the rim. .45 LC has a very small rim, almost more like that of a semi-rimmed cartridge such as .32 Auto or .38 Super, because the rim was designed originally only for headspacing in a gate-loading revolver. .44 Magnum, on the other hand, was designed from the ground up to be used in revolvers with simultaneous extraction. Thus, .44 Magnum has a more prominent rim that gives the extractor more surface to bear against. The reason that I view this as important is because the small rim of the .45 LC is more likely to "jump" the extractor of a DA revolver and tie up the gun until it can be removed (a task that is neither quick nor easy). While this may be just a minor annoyance on the range, it could create a very bad situation if you're trying to reload your revolver while someone, or something, is trying to kill you. Of course, the diameter of the rim is not an issue for someone using their revolver for a non-critical application like hunting nor would it be an issue for someone using a gate-loading SA revolver.
 
IS a Colt Anaconda in .45 Colt strong enough for Buffalo Bore +P?
It seems bank vault strong.

In as much as you can't get the Anaconda (or any other Colt DA revolver) any more, do you really want to abuse it even if it will take it? I tell ya what, if your Anaconda is in good shape I'll give you the price of a brand new Redhawk for it.
 
I said it once, I'll say it again, if I want more "Performance" than my 44 Redhawk, it's simple, the 460 that can shoot 45 colt's in it's sleep. I know I didn't mention shooting the 454 out of it too.

That's like having three gun's in one. Of course weight is a factor also. Those suckers are big. I'd call it my over compensator for my short comings.:eek:
 
If you load with a purpose besides just velocity and bragging rights, you find yourself in the mid range area. The area where you can kill anything in the 48 but aren't even in top range 44 Mag loads. So while you can do it...it's not really needed. - Edward429451

Bingo. When I loaded my .44 Mag for deer, I would find the best accuracy in that 70-75% of max range for the bullets I used. I never saw a need to push it out much more than that.

Besides, I would shoot 50 or so of a given load down range before it felt it was ready for the field. Doing that with a lot of full power rounds has no appeal to me.
 
I gotta say, I can't imagine how some of you guys take the punishment of those hand cannons. Not just the recoil, but the shock of it.

Pulling the trigger and experiencing something akin to a half pound block of C4 going off 4 feet in in front of your face sound vaguely unpleasant to me.
 
it comes down to trajectory in the end. the 44 does do better in that department.
Trajectory? Two bullets at same velocity .... end up at the same place. And at normal handgun range 0 - 75 yards ... not going to be a big deal anyway :) . Beyond that your into 'use your rifle' range.

you find yourself in the mid range area.
Works for me. My .44Mag and .45 Colt loads match up velocity wise. I just prefer the .45 Colt. I do shoot both ... plus the .45 ACP and .44 Spec and sometimes the peanut .357. As a hand loader the .45 Colt and .44Special really do it all for me. My .44Mags are rarely loaded to their potential. No need.... and I am way past the 'swagger rights' or have to shoot the 'biggest baddest worstest' loads for 'fun' to impress someone.... Dino won't be showing up anytime soon either :) ... And if Ross Seyfried was satisfied with the .45 Colt on Cape Buffalo (real life experience)... then it's plenty good for anything I might run into on this continent :) .
 
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