.45 ACP 1911 still the King

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Having read word for word of all your posts - it educated me and added my knowhow on the 1911.

This proves only that old and young shooters still opt to buy one of its kind of this model.

With all my shooting experiences with my 1911, all kinds of ammo that I fed work well. My 9mm won't jam if you feed 100% factory ammo, but if I feed reloads that some are not well refined then I experienced that some casing will be stock up. But to the .45 it eats all kinds of factory made and reload bullets.
 
The point I have been trying to make for those of you that do not own or those of you that have little experience with the 1911 is that there is no handgun on earth that is superior to it. The real facts are that all are a good deal inferior to it in many, many areas. Looking at the overall picture of all the handguns being made today none can even be put in the 1911's class. It simply has no close rivals. The other brands of modern handguns all have just too many shortcommings and disadvantages when compared to the classic John Browning Colt 1911. W.R.

This has been a heated debate, so I would like to jump in the fire! If asked if my wife were the most beautiful woman on the earth and I answered "yes", that would not be a fact because others might disagree and it couldn't be proven. If my answer were "she is to me", then that is a fact that can't be disproven. Saying that something is a fact doesn't make it one. It's possible that a more accurate statement would include maybe something like "in my opinion" or either "in my experience".

I own Glocks, SIGs, HKs and others that have all been dependable and reliable guns for me. The one 1911-style handgun (a brand new Charles Daly) that I foolishly purchased (because I really wanted a Springfield) has been the only handgun I have ever purchased that did not function properly out of the box. It wouldn't extract the spent cases.

If I were to only use my experience, I would have to say that 1911-style handguns don't work properly. Since I am not the only person on the planet who has had experience with 1911-style hanguns, I know that some if not most do function correctly.

I have wandered from my point of let's not state things as fact when they are really opinions or experience.

Jerry
 
I have seen 1911's start to have problems at around the 10 below mark unless they are realy loose.
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OOOOOOOOOOKKKKKKKK

Tell that to the countless World War Vets that used a US GI 1911 in combat during the cold winter months in Europe.

Funny, those ANCIENT, OBSOLETE original 1911's were very loose but functioned in all sorts of conditions and stayed reliable.

You're contradicting yourself now.
 
Wild Romanian

I am not sure if your saying I was lying about stripping sig pistols down or what you ment by your last post. I have stripped the following sig pistols all the way with the help of a book. It took me about 1hour the first time to strip the pistols and clean it and put it back. That was a sig 229 my first sig. I also have stripped a sig 220 and 226 police trade in guns. I attempted to put a 1911 parts kit together (gun I bought it was still in parts the last guy was doing some work on it) I had to bring it to a gun smith. The 1911 is not supperior it is inferior to a good modern semi auto like the glock, sig, beretta or hk.
PAT
 
The point I have been trying to make for those of you that do not own or those of you that have little experience with the 1911 is that there is no handgun on earth that is superior to it

Got two words for you BullS**t. I have owned many 1911's I even carried them for a short time and I know what your saying is so false as to make me want to vomit. The 1911 is an antiquated design that is slowly fading from use because their are better designs now available.
PAT
 
Well, mr Sigfan,

On the same precepts I mentioned before, the 1911 is not obsolete, it still fires a metallic projectile from a metallic case, just like any 'new' or 'improved' handgun. It does the SAME THING as any other handgun. I have paper (targets) that say so! ;)

When one of these 'new' or 'improved' designs have features that make the rounds heat seeking, or go around corners, or will get up in the morning and cook me breakfast, then it will be BETTER than the 1911.

I'm sure a lot of your posts are just to stir up discussion, but we all know that each of us will have our likes and dislikes. What is important (or should be to all of us) is that our chosen handgun fires reliably and hits what we aim at. Those are more important than what it's made of, what it looks like, or who made it!

M@
 
355sigfan, Give it a rest....;)

I have ownwed and carried [on duty or otherwise] Sig, H&K, Glock, Para. Each has merits, for some not; for all. Each was up to the designed task it was made for. What makes one better than the other? PERSONAL PREFERENCE. No more or less.

Several companies have borrowed from J.B.'s original 1911 design and incorperated that into weapons they market.

Saying the 1911 design is obsolete, is absurd. There are still thousands sold, along with the millions already in existance.

From the handguns i've owned and shot, 1911 is by far and away the most accurate. Its feel, pointability, grip angle, all lend to its inherient accuracy.

Some cry foul about having to spend money to accurize a 1911. What gun owner does not tinker with his guns, tearing them apart and finding options to make them better. Is this phenonenem limited to 1911 style pistols?

There are some who claim, that one brand of gun is the end all of firearms design and meet the needs of every pistolero. This is just as absurd as the cliam that 1911 design is obsolete. Each to his or her own, For me, make mine a 1911 [Para P-14ltd style].

1911 is here to stay, while other designs are still to come, something to look fowards to in my book.
 
Fading from use?

Colt
Kimber
Springfield
Wilson
Baer
Para-Ord
Dan Wesson
Charles Daly
STI
SVI
And a whole slew of others, that I'm probably forgeting.

Fading from use?

In law enforcement circles maybe, but that is only in departments that mandate what kind of weapon must be carried.

Around here, every dept. that allows cocked & locked has lots of officers who carry 1911s.

Fading from use?

I figure that there are more 1911s in circulation now than ever. They dominate competition, and these folks are not suckers. These are people who shoot whatever it takes to win.

Fading from use?

1911s come in more calibers than any other gun I can think of, including: 9mm, .40, .45, 10mm, 450 smc, 460 Row. 440 Corbon, .40 Super, 9x23, and others. If it is fading from use why do people keep inventing new rounds to shoot through it?

Fading from use?

With CCW legislation everywhere I am seeing lots of folks starting to go to the 1911 because it is so slim.

Fading from use?

I don't think so.
 
Ya know, funny thing about the term obsolete.

If you go by the strict dictionary definition:

no longer in use or no longer useful b : of a kind or style no longer current.

saying that the 1911 is obsolete is obviously wrong. Thousands of 1911-design guns are sold each year, so obviously it is still in use, still useful, and still current.

There are degrees of obsolescence, though, including functional obsolescence and design obsolescence.

Design obsolesence? The 1911 may well be somewhat obsolete given its design, the swinging link, etc. Browning's own later designs saw to that.

Functionally obsolete, though?

Not a chance.
 
What a joke...

Comparing the Model T to a 1911 is a pretty weak comparison for a very weak argument.

How many Model T's do you see on the street nowadays as compared to how many 1911's are in use today.

And correct me if I am wrong.......but does anybody still manufacture a Model T today?...Compared to the numerous manufacturers of 1911's that are out there today.

It's okay if you personally don't like a 1911......it's all about personal preference......but to come out and make silly statements that the 1911 is obsolete.......is....well.....laughable.

Take care!
 
williamcrane

No it was 6000. In the original test the 1911 made it through 6000 rounds without a malfunction. Most 1911's need rebuilds and an overhaul by 60000 rounds but then again so would most pistols.
PAT
 
Observations can either be valid, as in the power of a correct observation, or invalid, as in flawed data. First you have limited yourself to 'target ranges' Gun on bench, fiddle, load, shoot some, look around, boring! Well, even a Makarov can fire a couple of hundred rounds without screwing up.
Expand your observations to competitons such as IDPA, IPSC, Steel Challenge, GSSF, Bianchi Cup, NRA Action pistol. And look at all the US Law Enforcement agencies, PD's, Sheriff's, DEA, FBI, and so on.
While a good percentage of competitors use high end 1911 guns, especially in IPSC, and a fair percentage in IDPA, there are many other guns, notably Glock, that are being used.
To pronounce your findings based on a couple of local 'target' ranges is really what is considered 'atypical' data, ie, not representitave of the "Real World"

Expand your observations, go to State level matches, and a few National levels.
 
9x45

ISPC and IDPA are fun but they are not real life. IDPA is closer. A jam will not kill you in a match. 1911's are easy to shoot well that is not what is being argued. I just hate the lack of reliablity or should I say inconsistent reliability between the various samples out there. I have seen reliable 1911's but I have seen even more that were not.
PAT
 
First of all Sigfan, being an MP IS different from being a civilian cop. I have been both. As an MP, I went on more domestic calls, I had crazier calls, a more dangerously diverse clientele- IE, spec. forces, infantry, Rangers, etc; We ain't just gate guards, so kiss my butt.

Saying that, who here can dissasemble their 1911 with one hand, or with two hands as fast as I can a Sig, Beretta, HK USP, or Glock, just to name a few. Who here can put their 1911 in the mud and then fire it like I can my HK, Beretta, or Glock? As far as the HRT using 1911s, so what? They basically know what kind of situation they are going to be in (i.e. urban jungle), and they want as rapid a first shot that is accurate as possible. Granted, a $2000 gun BETTER be more accurate than my HK or Glock. Shoot, I only paid $600 for my Hk- that isn't even a THIRD of what a Springfield TRP would cost. I shot, at both 15 and 25 yards with a friend's Glock 36 that I have never touched before a group thyat I could cover with my hand. Backed up by witnesses. At the academy, the ONLY guns that malfunctioned were 1911s. I have made witnessed head sized shots at 100 yards with my Glock 29 10mm. I currently challenge ANYBODY to a torture test with their 1911 and my Glock or Hk. Nobody will. I owned both a Para-Ord. P-12 and a Kimber Pro Carry; both malfunctioned out of the box, and therefore I will not trust my life to either. Never KEPT a pistol that would malfunction out of the box. OBTW, the Beretta 92 has been in as many or more conflicts as the 1911 in only what? 20some years? Give me the Beretta anyday, anyway. Have carried concealed ss pistols in all kinds of climates, and they rusted! My Glocks or HKs, or Berettas haven't- oh that's right you have more options on the finish in a factory gun than you do most 1911s. Accuracy wise, only the extreme professionals notice. I'm sure I'm as good with a Glock or Hk, as most of you are w/your 1911s. Better, 'cause I got 4 or 5 more shots to do it with. There is no REAL comparison between a factory 1911 and a modern Beretta, Sig, Glock, or Hk. There are numerous other firearms that will surpass the 1911, but I have most experience with the aforementioned guns.
 
This one's degenerated a little, folks.

I'm sure it will come up again, and hopefully will stay on the high road longer next time.
 
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