44 Magnum and approaching hostile human at 50 yards.

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Firepower!

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Since I live in the mountains, most SD related gun fights here are between 25 to 75 yards that are handgun related. Anything beyond that is dealt with Ak47, generally.

I want to know how effective is my Ruger SRH 7.5'' barrel loaded with hollow points at a hostile human approaching at minimum distance of 50 yards?

If the shot is placed ideally, will it be a shot incapcitation?

What if the shot is not hit on any critical organ rather in torso?

What sort of damage will 44 inflict on human body, and will there be any danger of hitting inocent person behind the hostile at that range?

Will the scenario be any different if the same round is fired from DE 44?

Up to what distance 44 will remain an effective round against hostile human as one shot stop, and generally?

PS: this information is for education and improving self defense against rogue elements, and NOT for assasination or inflicting any unprovoked harm.
 
Deer have been killed at up to 100 yards (probably even more) with .44 magnum revolvers. If you're able to get torso hits on humans at that distance, I guess they will die as well.


BTW, to avoid confusion it might help to include your "Location" in your profile. If people think you live in the USA, threads like this sound "strange" ;)
 
Ballistic tables

If you go to any ammunition manufacturer website and look at the ballistic tables for .44 magnum, you can see how much bullet velocity changes with distance from the muzzle. For example, look at this page from the Winchester website for their .44 magnum 210 grain Silvertip ammunition:

Winchester Silvertip ballistic data

It shows a muzzle velocity of 1250 fps, 50 yard velocity of 1106 fps, and 100 yard velocity of 1010 fps.

I believe that a 210 grain bullet travelling at 1010 fps could do significant damage to a human.
 
This is almost as strange as the guy who wants to break bones with his CCW!
Are the hills full of hostile rogues running about? Anyway a magnum round would probably prove effective at ranges beyond which you could easily hit someone with a revolver. That is why they make carbines in the magnum calibers. Good enough for small to medium game for quite a ways. I am baffled at the image of "mountaineers" running about with AK's and magnum handguns having shootouts though. Are you a Hatfield or McCoy?:rolleyes:
 
strange

Yeah. Very strange question and scenario.
What mountains are these? What situation occurs often enough that one can determine at 50 yards that a "hostile" human is about to threaten with deadly force? Seems like they'd have to be coming with guns blazing. Where is this?
Pete
 
It is kind of a moot question. If you know the approaching human is hostile, he probably won't be standing still for you. There's no way you'll hit a moving target with a handgun at 50 yards.

However, if it does come to that, you'll be much better off with the AK or an accurate rifle.

I would estimate that one would not be able to hit a moving target outside of 10 yards with a handgun.

In an another post, a guy in Pakistan asked a similar question about approaching hostiles from 100 yards away. In Pakistan, it is believable. In the USA, if you shoot a person 50 yards away, then tell the court they were hostile, you'd better have a pretty good reason for assuming they were hostile. :) (such as: "He had a gun and was shooting at me!")
 
Holy frijoles, Firepower! is in Pakistan, and this should not be news to anyone, he has been around TFL quite a while.

If you are so US-centered that you can not understand that other parts of the planet are different than the US, you may want to unplug the internet, it is bound to make you uncomfortable at every turn.

And yes, .44m should be pretty nasty at those ranges if you hit them. I would grab a rifle, I can't shoot revolvers for crap, but if you can do better than me (not hard), I don't think there would be any problems with banditos shrugging off hits.
 
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In the USA, if you shoot a person 50 yards away, then tell the court they were hostile, you'd better have a pretty good reason for assuming they were hostile.
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Reminds me of the incident in Wisconsin where a hunter shot and killed 6 people he claimed were hostile. Jury disagreed.

Jesus H. Christ, Firepower! is in Pakistan, and this is should not be news to anyone, he has been around TFL quite a while.
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So where is zeeshan from? Serbia?
 
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The .44 Magnum cartridge will absolutely be effective at those ranges. I have seen first hand what a 240 grain bullet will do while hunting deer at a range I would estimate as 70 yards - It is fairly devastating. If you can place a bullet where it needs to be placed at that range the bullet will do its job.

The .44 magnum isn't magical - if the shot isn't placed properly it won't deal serious enough damage to immediately incapacitate. Remember, even shots straight to the heart are not always immediately incapacating.

If you are planning on shooting a moving target at those ranges out of that weapon, I hope you are a much better shot than I.
 
Why would you not engage said hostiles with a rifle from those distances?
Seems to me that would be much more effective than a revolver.

I believe you are in Pakistan - Would it be a safe assumption that you are talking about dealing with bandits, militants, or "terrorist" (for lack of a better word) groups or individuals?

If so, would it also be a safe assumption that they would be carrying some type of rifle?

I think it would be very unwise to approach that type of situation with a handgun. If you have an AK, why not use that?

Also, I second the statement made by Silvanus; you should maybe put your location in your profile. People always seem a little weirded-out by your questions. You may get a lot more help if they see you are not located in the USA.
 
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Jesus H. Christ, Firepower! is in Pakistan, and this is should not be news to anyone, he has been around TFL quite a while.
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:rolleyes: Well excuse me for not memorizing the locations of the folks who don't put their locations in their profiles. I suppose you have those all memorized? Folks who have been here a while, who don't post their locations. BTW, I have been here quite a while too. Too many have come & gone to remember them all.

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If you are so US-centered that you can not understand that other parts of the planet are different than the US, you may want to unplug the internet, it is bound to make you uncomfortable at every turn.
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Hmmm, not knowing where he was, I don't think it was a bad guess that he is in the US, since 95% of us here are from the US. Maybe YOU should unplug from the internet if you're so easily disturbed...
 
I love the ignore list, I've been reading your irritating tripe too long. Bye bye smog.

I'm pretty sure that he stopped advertising his location because of racist fruitbags giving him problems. Not surprising with the crowd around here...
 
Mr. Lahey is absolutely correct about my location. And he is also right in assuming why I did not list my origin. In fact, I did some time back and got some very nasty/irritating comments. Thus, I removed it, and I also think most people who come across my posts know I am in Pakistan. And yes these sort of fights/incident can occur here with rogue elements.

That settled, I agree that a rifle is a better option, but I am trying to get a feed back on handgun since I would have to walk around with an Ak. Thats what guards are for, but then you can only rely on your own weapon in hand. Guards are just added protection that may or may not come through.

I have my RSRH scoped and I am pretty good shot with it at 75 yards, and I am confident that I can hit a moving target at that distance, although it might not be a head shot or shot of choice.

I have very impressed by 44's performance so far. I think anything above 44 is really meant for handgun hunting not for SD.
 
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"Jesus H. Christ, Firepower! is in Pakistan, and this is should not be news to anyone, he has been around TFL quite a while."

I did not know that. If apologies are needed, you have them.
As to being centered on one's country, I suspect that, without any indications to the contrary, most posters on most forums assume (yeah, I know) that folk posting are in the same country. An honest mistake.
Pete
 
Good Golly Miss Molly!

Let's can the rancor and the cheap shots. Can we?

Firepower!, to answer your questions, your SRH will be very effective at 50yds out to 150yds, if you do your job. Here, I'm assuming 240gr JHP's with a full load.

From 50 to 100yds, you most likely will have over penetration. So yes, there is a very real danger to those behind the target.

Yes, you can hit moving targets at these distances. Even without a scope.

As for hitting the torso, but not an immediate killing shot, the sheer trauma of being hit by a full house 44 will likely take them out of the game for a few seconds. Sometimes, that's all that's needed.

Since we're dealing with humans, there's a distinct psychological advantage here, if they know it's a pistol you're plinking 'em with and they see you pick up a rifle. :eek: :D
 
Sorry, I had no idea where he was at, either. I was visualising someone describing West Virginia or something. There had been some various fights with rifles etc. there in the distant past, but I was seeing a feud across the holler or something taking place. Yes a magnum handgun will be effective on a target about as far as you can practically hit something with it. Now a 6 or even 8 inch barreled version would make that much easier, I suspect, but might not be practical. In the past in the US, some very practiced individuals were having revolver shooting matches well beyond 100 yards and making fantastic scores shooting offhand, no bench involved. But that takes alot of practice, thus alot of ammunition spent, which is costly nowadays. And to the disturbed individual, the J. H. C. comment was pretty much uncalled for:mad:
 
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