.357 SIG, overpenetration and the Air Marshall Service

There was an army marksmanship analysis which said the stopping power problem came from crappy aim.

I might have it somewhere. So many files!!

I think one ultimate stopper is an 11 or 12 inch naval gun. I talked to an old German vet whose dad was in WWI at Jutland and saw a shell cross the bridge and a guy's head just disappeared. He stood there and his blood spurted up several feet like a fountain, till he dropped.

The woman officer was shot with a 357 - easy story to find.

The guy shot with 6 357s was morbidly obese and the hits went into his fat and guts so he didn't instantle die. IIRC, he killed the officer with a NAA mini that he shot through a vest gap.
 
Mr. Meyer,
There were two studies after Korea, one by the U.S. Army and one by the Israelies. Both concluded that in combat, hits were made by "accident", not aimed fire. Thus, smaller rifles that fire more projectiles create more "accidents", leading to the M16 family.

"Morbidly Obese" (or "Bariatric" in the EMS world) folks are a problem - a growning one (pun intended). There are several documented failures to stop with 'pre-fragmented' rounds where all the projectiles (shot) were stopped in the fat layer. Since we do not get to choose out attackers, this is becoming a more significant factor in defensive ammo selection.
 
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