.327 Federal Club thread

A year ago around Christmas, USFA ran a limited run of .32-20/.327 convertibles in their regular SAA-equivalent. Don't know if still available or "back," but a mouth watering proposition nonetheless. I'd like also to see it in their new(ish) Double Eagle (3-4+" barrels, modified birdshead SAA, large triggerguard) and at a price I can afford :)
 
I think its dumb and a waste... We already have a .357mag and .357 sig, why confuse us more with a .327 ? I really think it's pointless... I like a .357 revolver, because it can shoot BOTH .357/.38 with that being said, I do not know anything on the .327 as to balistic testings and is it more powerful than the .357?
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How many directions can someone be wrong? You don't know the ballistics, but it's dumb and a waste?

1,345 FPS with 425 ME. Hows that? A smaller package, more power than a 9mm or a .38 special. I have one SP-101 Ruger and one Rossi. My wife, sister and mom all carry .327 magnums. They fire .32, .32 Long, .32 H&R and can be downloaded for target practice. Powerful enough to stop a BG in his tracks. What a waste!...... not to mention dumb? :rolleyes:

Now I'm hard-casting for it and still pushing 1,200 FPS with no leading. :D
 
"More power" seems to be the simplistic approach to most man toys; guns, cars, hell, even chain saws.

But the .327 has found the balance between power and style.

The argument that the .357 is more powerful than the .327 can be trumped by just saying the .44 mag is more powerful than the 357.

There is no argument for style.
 
The 327 mag runs 1400fps with a 100gn slug, the 357 goes 1400fps with a 125gn slug, that would be more, not comparable.:D Many people consider the 327mag a solution in search of a problem but I say it solves two problems. One, it makes mundane guns like SP101s collectable and two it's a chicks 357.
 
The 327 mag runs 1400fps with a 100gn slug, the 357 goes 1400fps with a 125gn slug, that would be more, not comparable. Many people consider the 327mag a solution in search of a problem but I say it solves two problems. One, it makes mundane guns like SP101s collectable and two it's a chicks 357.

Where are you getting your data?
I think you're comparing unequal barrel lengths, and fudging the comparison.

On a cold day, my brother's SP101 will sling .327 Federal American Eagle 100 gr SP factory ammo at 1,500+ fps. On a warm day, it'll push it 10-15 fps faster.

Out of my 5.5" Blackhawk, that same load is doing 1,680 fps on a cold day, and in excess of 1,700 fps in the blistering heat of summer.


If you're comparing "factory ballistics", cite your sources. Most ammunition companies use an 8", or 10" barrel for their velocity claims. It sure does look good on paper.... until you look up the barrel length, and realize what a joke the claim is.

Keeping your 100 gr .327 vs 125 gr .357 comparison-
In reality, the .357 needs an 8" or longer barrel to reach the same velocities a 3" barreled .327 can produce.


For the .357 Mag, the "standard" load is 158 gr bullets of various types. The 125 gr loads are (125/158 = 0.79) 79% of the "standard" weight.
For the .327 Federal, the "standard" load is not quite settled, but arguably 100 grains. A 71 gr FMJ comes in at 71% of the "standard" weight.

I can shoot 71 gr FMJs in excess of 1,800 fps, from my 5.5" barrel. The .357 Mag requires a ten inch barrel to do the same with a 120-125 gr bullet. ;)


If you don't like the cartridge, that's fine. You don't have to. Don't go throwing out unsupported claims, though. It just makes you look ignorant and uninformed. ;)
 
I'm sure the .327 is a fine cartridge. When I look to compare pistol rounds I usually look at energy.

If my calculations are correct (and I've been known to butcher an equation once or twice) my 4" Trooper Mk III pushes .357 Winchester Super X 158 gr JHP's at 1350 fps measured at 15 ft on a 65 deg F day. Works out to 640 ft/lbs energy.

Your 5.5" firearm shoots a 71 gr projectile at 1800 fps which comes to 511 ft/lbs which is 80% the energy of the above. Your 100 gr AE round at 1700 fps comes out almost dead even at 642 ft/lbs

Playing with Federals Ammunition & Ballistics catalog I would guess that the difference in trajectory might put the .327 less than .5 inches flatter at 50 yards. (a whopping 2.5" at 100 yards)

If a nice .327 sp101 fell in my lap I'd have a set of dies and bullets on order in a heartbeat but I'm kind of partial to my .357

(now where is that "beating a dead horse" smiley....) :p
 
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If you can accept the weight penalty of a carbon steel M60 or SP101 chambered in 327 MAG, and live with a three inch barrel, a six shot 327 Smith or Ruger is a slam dunk over both of the steel guns for small arms personal protection, given the extra round and the ballistics. Inside, it can be loaded with 32 H&R MAG and save your hearing. The ammunition problem will solve itself eventually as the caliber does seem to be gathering some momentum with the shooting public. But the diehards linger on, utterly convinced that real men shoot zombies with full house 357 MAGS indoors with their kids in the next room past the next to the last sheetrock panel.
 
But the diehards linger on, utterly convinced that real men shoot zombies with full house 357 MAGS indoors with their kids in the next room past the next to the last sheetrock panel.

AMEN... Those that Knock it don't have it or have been Magnum Brain washed to think one "Need's" a .357 Or larger to get by with. :rolleyes: To those with that Narrow mind of thinking, I say Thank's, it leaves the Factory .327 Magnum ammo on the shelf for me to Purchase...;)
 
But the diehards linger on, utterly convinced that real men shoot zombies with full house 357 MAGS indoors with their kids in the next room past the next to the last sheetrock panel.

Umm....327 Mag isn't really lagging in sectional density. It'll shoot through just as many layers of sheetrock.

As far as a chick's gun goes, I bought a Model 431PD for my wife. I liked it so much that I carry it much more than she does. :D
 
From those who shoot the .327 Mag, how would you compare the recoil?

My adult daughters do not like shooting a .357 mag. They are OK with .38 specials and prefer revolvers to semiautos.

Assuming the .327" has better terminal ballistic performance than the .38 (may or may not but assume for discussion sake), is the felt recoil and muzzle blast significantly less than the .357 mag? Is it likely to make a .357 shy person more comfortable shooting the .327" Or is it too close to the .357 recoil and might as well stick with .38?

I am thinking specifically of a SP101 in .327 mag.
 
I let a nice couple of newbies shoot my 632 in 327 and they baked me a load of chocolate chip cookies and apple turnovers. Baking was their hobby but they wanted to learn guns - a fair barter was arranged.

So that's dandy. The 432 went out yesterday while I was doing yard work. Easy carry.
 
Recoil comparison...

Here is my opinion, from one page back:
I agree with him, that the noise level and muzzle blast are about the same as a comparably hot .357 Mag load. And I've been experiencing .357 Mag noise/blast all my life - in anything from a 2" barrel, to a 6" barrel.

I had some of the factory .327 Federal Hydra-Shoks, Gold Dots, and American Eagle SPs on hand for side-by-side testing. It was .327 SP101 vs .327 Blackhawk vs .357 GP100 (4"). Hot loads in the GP100 were as punishing, or more punishing than the SP101's noise level and muzzle blast. I still don't think they were worse than a .357 Mag, but the loudest/blastiest (;)) factory ammo was the American Eagle. (I didn't bring up the Blackhawk, because noise levels and muzzle blast are much less apparent than with the SP101.)

If you can get your hands on one for testing, try the Federal Hydra-Shok factory load. It is a "low recoil" or "reduced recoil" loading, and not as bad as the other factory loads.

....Or give .32 H&R a try.
 
Ruger and ATK should have developed a load upstream from the 32 H&R MAG for two inch snubs made of all steel like the SP101 and Smith Model 60. My impression is the 327 MAG can't be shot from a two inch gun. Flash, blast, ballistic collapse, there is an undisclosed hang up somewhere.
 
No, there isn't. One of ours (the 2") chronos at 1,305fps and we made the mistake of shooting at our pistol caliber steel plate swingers from 15'. Made a mess out of one of the hanger plates. Bent it so the hinge isn't true anymore. This is one we use for .357 without denting them at all.

Recoil with the 115gr bullet from the 2" is stout for sure, but who's going to notice the flash-bang-recoil of a defensive shot? Its got the larger factory grips so it feels comfortable and completely controllable. The SP101 feels better but its quite a bit larger than the Taurus. Lots of rounds through the Taurus so far with not a single glitch.

One of the very big deals is that our girls can shoot all the rest of the .32's and even .327 downloaded for practice. We cast for it so its cheap to shoot.

Some of you guys need to borrow one from someone and shoot before you post. :D

Edit: I'll post a side by side photo in a while.
 
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2" Taurus and SP-101, both .327 Mag


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Fair disclosure, I love odd calibers. My autoloader is a .357 sig, and next on my list I'll either get a blackhawk or gp100 in .327 fed. I love the idea of a modern .32-20.

I suspect that most guns are sold to one of two people, someone who wants a gun, and pretty high on their list is can I find ammo everywhere, followed by round used by lots of police/military. These folks end up with 9mm autoloaders, .45s, .38special/.357, and now .40 S&W are quickly moving into this market.

The other buyers are guys who have a large collection of guns and who shoot alot. These guys frequently buy calibers to improve some aspect of shooting, but aren't as interested in having something that merely equals or exceeds a small portion of what another caliber can do. If they already have a .357 mag, they're thinking about .44 mag rather than .327 fed.

There are of course many other reasons to buy, but the only one that leads one to buying a .327 fed mag is collecting (and most collectors focus on rounds/guns that aren't made anymore).

Like the .357 sig, it's a fine idea, but not different enough to the established choices to swing more than a solid niche audience.

My favorite idea is to turn down the rim and chamber a 5.7 in one. They're almost the same max sizes, can you imagine 20 of them in an autoloader?
 
A friend went to the gunshop over a year ago-a year or so after the 327 was announced, and tried to buy one. Noone seemed to know what he was talking about 377??

Also brass/ammo was tight. Dont know about now. Gun mags/writers go and pump something up and it is a year till you can get your hands on one.

The Trailside was that way-10 yrs ago.

I traded my 430 something for a 649.
 
My favorite idea is to turn down the rim and chamber a 5.7 in one. They're almost the same max sizes, can you imagine 20 of them in an autoloader?

Your statement is unclear.
If you're referring to creating, say ".32 Super" or ".327 Auto Mag"... the mechanic could be a bit complicated. Your best bet would actually be a Coonan in standard .327 Federal.

If you're referring to chambering 5.7x28mm FN in a .327 firearm.... Freedom Arms beat you to it. Their .224-32 Freedom Arms (.327 Federal, necked down to .22 caliber) was announced almost simultaneously with the .327's own release.


There are of course many other reasons to buy, but the only one that leads one to buying a .327 fed mag is collecting
Nonsense. Go back through this thread, and read the reports from actual .32 H&R and .327 Federal owners. Most of us are far from being collectors.

In fact... I have not yet encountered a .327 buyer that purchased the pistol merely as an addition to the "collection". Every person I have spoken with or corresponded with had (a) very real reason(s) for buying one of the much-maligned .32s, rather than a more popular chambering.
 
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